2012-04-20 19:43, IP: 180.247.4.65, from Indonesia

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"I am happy with their abilities to work even though it is just what I was able to teach them and i am happy with their natural instincts, they are very protective of me & property without any training."

so would all strays and pariah dogs you can adopt...

2012-04-18 09:51, IP: 65.60.129.192, from United States

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Why you want to breed 2 common as dirt looking animals between them? You must search and find a really outstanding sire for the female and neuter the male. A poor looking female needs an outstading male to produce something. (For example try Urbano himself if you can - a Prinz free and Citone free dog ). I am not afraid A Citone so much if Alfa Adelante is not involved, but this breeding has nothing to offer IMHO, because of the individual quality of the parents.
Basil

First, they look a lot better than the pictures, second they are both in the the standards and are very healthy right now. They have very good natural protective and working instinct, which is what I am looking for more than looks, looks can and will be fixed. I am looking for the right combination to keep the natural instinct, they already have. I have found someone to help me with this, so thanks for your advice. Also, is it not looks that has got the Dobermann to where it is now according to most on this site.

bmgillespie

2012-04-18 09:06, IP: 178.128.193.106, from Greece

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Why you want to breed 2 common as dirt looking animals between them? You must search and find a really outstanding sire for the female and neuter the male. A poor looking female needs an outstading male to produce something. (For example try Urbano himself if you can - a Prinz free and Citone free dog ). I am not afraid A Citone so much if Alfa Adelante is not involved, but this breeding has nothing to offer IMHO, because of the individual quality of the parents.
Basil

2012-04-18 07:11, IP: 193.92.21.118, from Greece

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@ 2012-04-17 19:47 • IP: 24.142.180.238 • from United States
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Why to double the A Citone litter in your pedigree? The rest pedigrees seem to be ok for your combination

2012-04-17 19:50, IP: 24.142.180.238, from United States

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Post about help on pedigree is from
bmgillespie

2012-04-17 19:47, IP: 24.142.180.238, from United States

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http://www.dobermannpedigrees.nl/modules/pedigree/pedigree.php?pedid=221684

http://www.dobermannpedigrees.nl/modules/pedigree/pedigree.php?pedid=221685

Hello,
I am going to see if I can get some positive help input from this chatboard. Above is two my dogs pedigree that I plan to breed when I decide to have puppies. I am happy with their abilities to work even though it is just what I was able to teach them and i am happy with their natural instincts, they are very protective of me & property without any training. They have been completely health testedn for what it is worth. I also beleive they complimanet each others faults. So, I am good with all that. They are both 3 years old and I am in no hurry to mate them, I want to get some opinions on the pairing of their pedigrees. Their breeding co- efficient according to the web site is 9.6 which higlow or lowmedium. PLEASE DO NOT use this as a way TO ATTACK THEIR BREEDERS.

2012-04-17 15:05, IP: 80.140.191.74, from Germany

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For sale! Simon Rietveld's History of the Dobermann

RAR! Limited edition made back in 1982.
Only 1000 numbered copies. Written in English.
A real diamond for any Dobermann Lover.
Only serious bidding. Will not be sold for less then 150 euros!
contact: vanweely@t-online.de

2012-04-16 22:36, IP: 154.32.16.42, from Europe

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Little wonder the Dobermann is in the state it is when you read the rubbish printed here if you put as much energy into the dogs as on here things would be far better.
T.H.C.

2012-04-16 21:53, IP: 79.66.109.69, from United Kingdom

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wonderfull beautifull creatures,id so lve 1

2012-04-15 10:44, IP: 86.31.182.19, from United Kingdom

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Because with Italian and German support the Eastern Europe genetical destruction and actual situation happened with Serbians and Hungarian principal actors.
Read the pedigrees .

thought this person had been banned from posting

2012-04-14 21:36, IP: 65.60.129.192, from United States

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2012-04-14 19:08 • IP: 80.140.195.51 • from Germany
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(Be constructive! This chatboard is in some way a mirror of our dobermann community - think about what kind of image that mirror reflects before posting.)

One clear statement, shame it always ends in unconstructive posts!
I still believe we all have the same passion, so why not work together and try to learn from eachother!

AMEN!

bgillespie

2012-04-14 19:08, IP: 80.140.195.51, from Germany

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(Be constructive! This chatboard is in some way a mirror of our dobermann community - think about what kind of image that mirror reflects before posting.)

One clear statement, shame it always ends in unconstructive posts!
I still believe we all have the same passion, so why not work together and try to learn from eachother!

2012-04-14 06:06, IP: 83.250.51.53, from Sweden

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Stop to bother us with yours stupidity.

2012-04-14 05:01, IP: 67.210.97.252, from United States

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Because with Italian and German support the Eastern Europe genetical destruction and actual situation happened with Serbians and Hungarian principal actors.
Read the pedigrees .

2012-04-13 23:24, IP: 83.250.51.53, from Sweden

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If you " writed THE TRUTH" prove yours statement "Serbian Dobermanns can not be registered in most Western European countries."
Name as this countries .

2012-04-13 23:12, IP: 87.25.76.5, from Italy

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To 2012-04-11 18:47 • IP: 67.210.97.252 • from United States

You are one thickhead and spread rumors.Why to waist ours time to replay to some irrelevant person like you are.

2012-04-13 06:24, IP: 67.210.97.252, from United States

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You hav3e right Hungary...I forgot to wroted other problems which affect dobermanns fullly in pedigree by Serbian and Hungarian "modern" dogs : skeleton problems, shit character ,head tremor , displazia , demodicosis .


I waiting other 10 negative votes.

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2012-04-12 20:18 • IP: 84.2.134.172 • from Hungary
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2012-04-11 18:47 • IP: 67.210.97.252 • from United States1 positive reactions 7 negative

p.s. to the 19 peoples which voted positive the Serbian statement, I invite them to vote negative my post where I writed THE TRUTH !



I do not that you even know what the truth is. In Serbia you found some of the best dogs in the world. You should not blame all serbs breeders for what 1 or 2 are doing. Better open your eyes in your own country.

2012-04-13 01:59, IP: 62.40.35.121, from Ireland

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@ Germany who ever you are, yes chianti was tested and will be tested again this year, not that it's any of your business at all
This has nothing to do with anything else apart from some people on here(Internet experts) making wild acusations, and ridicules presumptions about what other people they don't know at all is doing and planning to do.
What ever happened to pimms is not for me or you to speculate or write about on here but the owners to say, why don't you contact them.
I thought pimms was a very good dog that gave very good puppies that's why I have his daughter here with me.
to be honest where is all these healthy 12yr old stud dog saviours?I personally think bad health is everywhere, certainly the dishonesty about it is
matter is closed for me now, I've said my piece to defend myself. good luck

2012-04-12 22:03, IP: 93.200.157.148, from Germany

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@ Rokpinsch

in your breeding you have Chanti do you know from what Pimm's died is your female heart tested? Do you have the choice to make full heart examination? Holter and echo?

2012-04-12 20:18, IP: 84.2.134.172, from Hungary

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2012-04-11 18:47 • IP: 67.210.97.252 • from United States1 positive reactions 7 negative

p.s. to the 19 peoples which voted positive the Serbian statement, I invite them to vote negative my post where I writed THE TRUTH !



I do not that you even know what the truth is. In Serbia you found some of the best dogs in the world. You should not blame all serbs breeders for what 1 or 2 are doing. Better open your eyes in your own country.

2012-04-12 19:32, IP: 82.4.214.239, from United Kingdom

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Mikjulora Dobes...What a load of balls,add on,s and lies I have never seen as many half truths and bear faced lies,Its time this rubbish stopped,1 man in England complained about michael.SO WHAT.1 man defends him friend.SO WHAT.1 man add,s a bit on,then another man adds a bit on and on and on and on...
Michael and paul grant our my mates and after speaking with both of them i can clearly state,,,,,,Michael never said anything bad about paul grant,indeed michael respects paul as a fellow breeder of import dogs,so that puts that lie to bed,Paul grant never said anything bad about michael or his breeding,fact so that puts that lie to bed,I dont give a dam about 1 man in England complaining about bla bla bla bla,,lets move on folks cos its beginning to piss me off as im hearing it from all sides and i really dont care,NO one more that knows michael or paul are to put another commant on here about this matter,this had better be the end. drew bellevue dobermans

2012-04-12 16:02, IP: 62.40.35.124, from Ireland

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Micheal of mikjelora kennels,
I have just read an interesting email about what has been going on the last few days with you and your buddies, I hope you and the clowns on here are not implying it is my kennel that you can buy 5 puppies from that I can't seem to sell for 500euro, because I am the only person with a litter in or around the Dublin area in Ireland at this moment in time.I can assure you my puppies are not 500 euro.
This shite on this forum is starting to get under my skin now,have you's nothing better to be doing with your time?
I have in fact one puppy for sale 10 weeks old due to a complete and utter time wasting tit from England. I never have a problem selling any of my pups but finding the right homes is a problem because you have to wade through the morons which there seems to be plenty of to find the right people to appreciate and care for them properly to make sure the dogs future is sorted.
Another thing I wouldn't sell a pup to you or ask anyone to offer you one on my behalf because I'm not interested what you do in any way at all, which is absolutly nothing apart from breed.
I never once made a negative comment about you or anyone else on here or theyre dogs and I would like to know who the f*** you think you are making up fairytails about me and my dogs?
I phoned your pal on here Paul moran yesterday to put him straight about a few things and get his facts right out suggesting your dogs are the best,healthiest,hardest dogs here in this country his dog has done f*** all except pass a vwd and dcm test.
I am the only person in ireland training and competing at working trials with dobermanns that I have bred myself I dont give a toss what you or anyone else in ireland or the uk does and it kills me to be writing this one here, but it's just to set the record straight
Paul grant
Rokpinsch dobermanns
www.Rokpinsch.com

2012-04-12 15:04, IP: 67.210.97.252, from United States

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Yes they are different because them and Hungarian are principal actors in East Europe

2012-04-12 11:39, IP: 92.26.23.127, from United Kingdom

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IP: 67.210.97.252 • from United States
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and what do you think makes serbia much different from the rest
everybody has the same lines , or dogs
the shit was made long time ago by the big breeders who want to pass the buck because of course they never would make shit haha do not joke
ADOLF

2012-04-11 23:00, IP: 109.10.11.97, from France

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There are puppy farms all over the world not just in America or Serbia look in the UK and Ireland, its just a shame that everyone is getting tared with the same brush nothing new there, some of the biggest well known kennels in the world are no better than puppy farmer's, but people still buy there dog's why, because they show and work them and by doing so it makes them a good breeder I think not!! all it does is make them breed more, how many of those kennels VWD test let alone DCM test some don't even eye test because there kennel clubs don't make it compulsary all they are doing is hips, go look on here at puppy's for sale and when you've got past the my dog can do this and my dog has won that look at what breed specific health tests they have had done!!!

There are bad breeders everywhere there's also someone who will defend them because they happen to think there a good breeder we all have certain expectations when looking to buy a puppy it's just that some of us have more than others.

2012-04-11 18:47, IP: 67.210.97.252, from United States

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p.s. to the 19 peoples which voted positive the Serbian statement, I invite them to vote negative my post where I writed THE TRUTH !

2012-04-11 18:44, IP: 67.210.97.252, from United States

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Serbians dogs are principal ancestors of many many many dobermanns which developed DCM, cancer, Displazia, stomachal torsions.
Point.

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2012-04-10 07:02 • IP: 212.200.63.23 • from Serbia
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Please tell me only one country on world where Serbian dogs can't be registered. And you base on what you statement that Serbian dogs have poor health?

2012-04-11 12:04, IP: 80.4.206.117, from United Kingdom

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Very stupid for people to slandar others , as its easy to work out who they really are ., even without a name
Why do they do it?
Even more so if they do not even really know the people? they do it i think out of frustration of there own ambitions within the dobermann world.
USA asfar as puppy mills , can not get as hardcore as the ones in the usa already and your very wrong with your info that you can not register Serbian dobermanns where did you get that crap from .
Always better to keep your personal thoughts otherwise you end up looking like a real muppet with custard pie in your face
Rob

2012-04-11 11:43, IP: 46.7.77.252, from Ireland

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I didn't intend to single out any Country at all Bill. It just looks like a conspiracy between 2 people who clarify themselves with Country names. I realise that both their IP addresses are detectable and that very soon we should know the true identities and locations of these 2 people intending to besmirch the name of Mikjulora.
P. Moran.
Rep. of Ireland.

2012-04-11 01:08, IP: 24.142.180.238, from United States

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2012-04-10 05:31 • IP: 175.136.57.147 • from Malaysia

First, Just because the IP address says it is from U.S does not mean that really is where the comments come from. Second, I am from the U.S. and have nothing to hide which is why I always sign my statements and you should not group a whole country by what one person says.

bmgillespie