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Why from many years we cannot discuss about a REAL IDC Winner ? Why IDC became the play yard of the in house breeders of IDC leadership ?
It is very interesting that nobody is discussing here about the alarming low number of dobermanns from EDS Brno. 48 present out of 77 ?!!!!!!! That was some years ago ( not many) the number in a normal CACIB show.
This is the direction the breed is going ?! That will be after standard change ?! Where were the great number of uncropped undocked german and other countries dobermanns where is ban for cropping ? It was European Dog Show, not a small show ! Was in the heart of Europe, distance was not a problem ! Ok next year will be plenty in Italy , but can we make a bet who will win ? Nemesis, Prisconte or somebody who is close to the judges who are making many many years their politics at IDC !!!
You are not talking anything about EDS ?!
So India, what age did your puppys came to you?
Liparland, Noblesshof are few examples of utmost honest and true breeders from Serbia. Not all breeders are dirt trash, there are always good breeders every where, so don't give bad labels to breeders like these, which produces super specimens and total dobermann with sound mind and healthy body !!
And this is coming from India which is not even FCI country, but yes we do have few dogs from there and all are true to type, morphologically as well as mentally !!
If we can't produce a list of every single honest breeder from Serbia (evidence provided ) along with every single dishonest kennel (evidence also provided), let's not deal with this subject at all, unless excommunicating Serbia from dobermann world would miraculously heel the dobermann breed. If all (health especially) problems can't be solved by condemning one country it's better to start from the top down - maybe we should pay attention to countries or clubs that have far bigger authority that Serbia, the clubs that make up the rules and constitute the system itself. Why don't we discuss, for example, International Dobermann Club and see if such club is transparent and democratic enough: for start, let's discuss if it is healthy (and honest) that leadership of an international club is not obligatorily re-elected every 4 years and rotated around it's member countries?
Tell me one honest breeder in Serbia? Anyone?
Prodaju psa za mizerne pare, a onda amerikanac isti domaci skart ( izvezen u USA ) prodaje za 8 do 10000 USD pa ko se upeca. Ovaca za sisanje koliko zelis
Hello!! I am thinking in buying an european line doberman and even I was searching for breeders in Northamerica (not USA, the whole North America) I saw the site of Britton farms and got a little confused, because here european lines are though yto be large, bot a dog that size is just not normal and has to have health issues in some point. Also I though y, way esuropean lines are being that big , that is far from both FCI or AKC standard, is that what the big size mean when any american breeder talk about when talk about european dobermanns? That is just not right.. But now I that I've read more know it is not the way european dogs are going and is just a dude that is taking advantage of people that doesn't know the breed
Better to look who sold the dogs to a such commercial "kennel". So sad.
Britton Farms is a well known American commercial breeder.
They use fake International Champion titles to beef up their
failing web site. In America a Int champion title cvan be won in
a weekend. All you have to do is just show up and pay the entry fee.
Look at the pedigrees.
Is this where our Dobermanns are headed note size and weight? This should not fit anyone's standard.
America breeds in a small cacoon. Each breeder thinking that they have the best.
The DPCA telling all members that American Dobermanns are the best in the world.
Sorry, this is far from reality. America is a free for all breeding country. No manditory
health testing no mandotory menatality testing. On line registrations leaves room for cheating.
Sad fact is that American Dobermanns can not compete on an international level. They are just
not good enough. A few Americans import from Europe and the rest get nervous and start a hate
campaign. There are no American breeders using American lines that compete in IPO. There are only a few American lines that have BH or IPO-I but not very mane.
I would rather have a strong European male than a pretty SWAN NECK 35 kilo American male
that urinates when scared.
In my opinion there should be one standard, no distiguishing between Euro dobes and American. Us Americans for the most part are breeding for the "pretty". Swan necks, thinner body. But Euros or some are going too big and bulky. They are beginning to look more like Danes or Rotts. My ideal dog is somewhere in the middle. And they should ALL be able to do the job they were intended for, no weak nerves, if they wanna show go ahead, but they should be able to have a working title too.
Everyone needs to slow down the breeding for money, breed for health and temperment and then breed for beauty.
I hope i wud find a breeder who don't think about money,
Healthy comes first, money makers fakes healthy reports, this is so wrong for other breeders who try to be honest!
2014-10-20 09:16, IP: 220.127.116.11, from Germany
yes it is a crazy battle. To work together, first to select and terminate shit breeders and fabrics, which just see $$$$$$. People must first open their eyes before breeding. A lot of interesting and good dobermanns in little kennels. To much people just look how much champion titles a dobermann have, after they say, a great dob, so many titles of so many countries, and after when owner have her puppies, after a while they realize what they did wrong. But good advises from honest people they don't take care.
Remember all puppies are little champions just owner have to know and to work to raise up to a real champ.!!!!!
You can not have multi club leaders. There has to be one person that
leads and makes club policy. You can have a club board but only one
can actually be called the leader.
2014-10-01 20:31, IP: 18.104.22.168, from United States 4 positive reactions 1 negative
A new club needs a strong leader. Someone that has been involved in the race for a very long time.
Someone that has proven his/her worth as a outstanding breeder, someone that is or has been a president of a active Dobermann club. Someone that has a strong desire to avoid the mistakes that has lead to this mess that is DV/IDC/ Someone that is respected and can easily draw support. Enough support to cause people to leave DV and start an honest club void of the corruption that is DV/IDC.
Sorry to say the only two names I can think of are now in their early 70's
Please remember that the instant a name or names are presented these people
will probably be baned from DV/IDC.
Who do you dare to nominate?
I think it would be a better solution to have a one esteemed member from every country instead of one???
This is a problem in many breeder and in many country NOT ONLY this one breeder or country!!!
I have some simply suggestions to keep you safe from getting cheated when buying a pup.
Stay away from the commercial breeders. Avoid the dog brokers and the hobby breeders.
Avoid American Show Dog breeders. Showing in North America is not a sport it is a business.
Fancy web sites mean verry little, look for the breeders accomplishments going back years not months.
Look for someone that breeds once a year or less, health tests in an honest manner and works/titles
in some kind of dog sport. IPO would be ideal. Ask for the cost breakdown and copies of health tests
and titles. Pedigrees prove the dogs worth. Look at the dogs in the pedigrees and do independant research
yourself. If you want a good pup you may have to wait. Protect yourself at all times.
It is so sad that honest breeders will suffer becouse greedy and cheeting breeders.
That I am. So i'm running out of options. haha. I was hoping it would work out to find one soon because I know I will be at home full time for the next 10 months or so for training. I'm willing to be patient and wait for the right one but i'm not gonna lie. I am pretty anxious and excited.
There are far more poor quality breeders in the United Stated than in any other
countries. This is due to the over breeding and show dog mentality. There is no manditory
health testing or mentality testing. The show dog is everything to most and very few people actually work and title in IPO. There is a site I can direct you to and you will find what you are looking for in a breeder.
The Working Dobermann Breeders Project.
I wish finding honesty and quality wasn't so difficult in breeders. I'm trying to find a good quality doberman that I can use as working dog for my own hobby but still a good family dog. Ive been looking around but hasn't been easy. The quality breeders seem to be difficult to talk to. They are not very friendly and are quick to attack you over minor comments or even questions. I have no plans to breed at all. I just want a intelligent, stable, healthy dog. This would be my first doberman so I know that can make some people nervous but I could hardly be more committed. Ive been reading about them for them for months now and definitely have my mind made up on breed. I'm looking forward to putting in a lot of time with this dog and can't wait to see results. So far this site seems to be best source of info I can find but any positive comments or helpful info would be appreciated. Im willing to travel or ship but closer to California is best if anybody can recommend breeder. thanks
It's the same in Germany. Only the quality of the puppies is far worse!
2014-10-20 14:46, IP: 22.214.171.124, from Portugal 1 positive reactions 2 negative
The dobermann is dead, nobody likes a dobermann with ears and tail. 2014 the last year of the bread.
Nonsense! A dobermann is a dobermann with or without ears and tail! It is soooo boring hearing you people saying the same over and over again. In the future a Dobermann has ears and tail!!!
The dobermann is dead, nobody likes a dobermann with ears and tail. 2014 the last year of the bread.
what a crazy battle here!!!
owner against breeder, states against other states!
work together not against each other, otherwise our beloved dog must pay the bill.
i beleive all breeders should be more resposible for health checks and have paperwork and vet check before they are faken from kennel.
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