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Tuesday, 23rd September 2014. All times are CET (Central European Time)

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2014-02-03 17:44, IP: 95.76.206.187, from Romania 3 positive reactions 2 negative
That you did in IDC congress ?
I do NOTHING understood which are the measures to improve race healt .

1)He talk about STARTER ZTP . STARTER ? But the rest of dobermanns have no FULL selection right ?

2)ANY pure dobermann have BORNED right to have PEDIGREE and to participate to a FREE SELECTION ! How many dobermanns have German ZTP ?
This MAN THINK still think that he can avoid 80% of dobermann population ?
Can somebody still think that dobermann can be reproduced only by TREND Breeders ?
Not more than today the internet is fully by RIP after last World Champion dobermann !
It is not sufficient what happened after 15 years of ill domination when dobermann breed losted all different bloodlines till total disparition ?
Is not sufficient that any today dobermann have only 2-3% genetical diversity from total number of ancestors ( in 14 generations, from 32766 ANCESTORS , ONLY 850 ARE DIFFERENT !!)
How many othergenetical resources have dobermann breed to talk so easy about ZTP limitation ?


3)How many other genetical resources have dobermann breed to talk so easy about tail /ears docked/croped interdiction ? Is wellknowed that the impact of this political and false protection measure will be a huge blow in already reduced race genepool !


------------------from IDC congress :
http://www.dobermannvereniging.nl/sites/default/files/IDC20Minutes202013.pdf

"Inseparable from that are the required Breed controls and the uniform appraisal of documentation and assessments. Only in this way can a healthy Dobermann be assured in the long term. In this regard the ZTP tests have established themselves as precursors and in many IDC membercountries they already constitute a fixed componentof Dobermann breeding. For this reason as from01.01.2014, the Starter ZTP will only find application in countries which have joined the IDC recently and then only for a limited period."
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announced and coming Breed Standard modification for uncropped earsand undocked tails, Mr. Wiblishauser informed the Congress that the Dobermann Breed Standard will be changed accordingly as from 01.01.2015. This will affect thereafter also exhibitions with corresponding national requirements. "

2014-02-03 17:15, IP: 87.5.169.11, from Italy 0 positive reactions 0 negative

2014-02-03 13:27, IP: 88.130.58.162, from Germany 4 positive reactions 4 negative

2014-02-03 06:22, IP: 95.76.206.187, from Romania 8 positive reactions 5 negative
Serbians, how long we must to say premature RIP about your dogs and about our dogs ?

2014-02-03 01:28, IP: 109.245.1.244, from Serbia 1 positive reactions 4 negative

2014-02-03 00:12, IP: 130.180.250.202, from Serbia 6 positive reactions 3 negative
Sad to hear about Maxim...
Couse of death?

2014-02-02 23:19, IP: 78.129.148.101, from UK 11 positive reactions 3 negative
Purgay has lost the key of his Porsche ;-)

2014-02-02 21:47, IP: 80.62.117.42, from Denmark 5 positive reactions 5 negative
Sad to hear about Maxim - RIP beautiful boy

2014-02-02 21:23, IP: 5.15.249.130, from Romania 12 positive reactions 4 negative
RIP Maxim di Altobello!

2014-02-02 14:50, IP: 95.154.230.253, from UK 3 positive reactions 2 negative
What about the fact that Purgaj's holter report comments don't seem to match up with the numbers on the analysis? Plenty of PVCs, couplets, triplets, runs, etc. and yet in the comments it says only 8 VPCs, no runs, no couplets, no triplets?

2014-02-02 13:07, IP: 95.76.206.187, from Romania 6 positive reactions 1 negative
PREPARING FOR ZTP .....
That words , present all around , explain ALL what happen in dobermann breed and why ZTP is a training test and not a selection test !

2014-02-02 12:08, IP: 93.174.93.145, from Netherlands 10 positive reactions 0 negative
And still free from ZTP Purgajs Porsche di Altobello - free of Gino , Nitro , Urbano , Fedor !
http://www.jahrestal-kennel.com/?page_id=235

PREPARING FOR ZTP more than 6 years old and have been with good trainers ? What's the problems when he have BH and IPO 1?

2014-02-02 09:17, IP: 95.76.206.187, from Romania 2 positive reactions 6 negative
Genials , you must to Thank to GOD that here exist Gino, Nitro, Urbano and Fedor because they are unique which carry the right different genes of basical right bloodlines !

2014-02-02 09:13, IP: 95.76.206.187, from Romania 5 positive reactions 3 negative
Do you joke with us or you think that all of us are stuipid ?
Fully by Tamerlan Slavnoy , Quirinus via Gamon , Renewal via Baron Nike same father of Fedor ,
125 OLIVE OF BAMBY'S PRIDE ,314 ODIN , 188 CHICO V. FORELL ,12 HERTOG ALPHA V LE DOBRY ,45 DON DAYAN V FRANCKENHORST ,13 VIVRE VIVIEN V FRANCKENHORST.

This is your alternative ? Exactly the lines which we must to avoid ?

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2014-02-02 08:11, IP: 88.130.14.37, from Germany 1 positive reactions 0 negative

Purgajs Porsche di Altobello - free of Gino , Nitro , Urbano , Fedor !
http://www.jahrestal-kennel.com/?page_id=235

2014-02-02 08:11, IP: 88.130.14.37, from Germany 2 positive reactions 9 negative
Purgajs Porsche di Altobello - free of Gino , Nitro , Urbano , Fedor !
http://www.jahrestal-kennel.com/?page_id=235

2014-02-01 14:28, IP: 95.76.206.187, from Romania 2 positive reactions 0 negative
Who are you Germany ? :-)
Maybe we will talk more . I'm Weinberge Avatar. You cand find me if you want and we maybe we will change something !

2014-02-01 14:07, IP: 95.76.206.187, from Romania 12 positive reactions 1 negative
Bravo Germany ! In this mode we protect entire genepool and to avoid domination and political movements ! The target is to improve every dobermann generation and your proposal did that !
Bravo again , is a very good system !

Now..we must to open how numerouse eyes is possible and broken the gates :-)

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2014-02-01 12:22, IP: 213.23.84.218, from Germany 2 positive reactions 0 negative

the ztp needs to be changed. this is a fact. i propose to use the system which was used in east germany (DDR). we need a point system. dogs cannot fail ztp as first, but they get 10 breeding value points. the sum of breeding points between two partners needs to be at least 10. so you can mate two dogs with 5 and 5 points, or 2 and 8 points or 3 and 7 for example to each other as a minimum breeding value. of course we need to restrict the matings which a male is allowed to do per year in order to open up the genetical pool. this is a true solution, a solution which is used by many other breed clubs.

2014-02-01 13:00, IP: 95.76.206.187, from Romania 7 positive reactions 1 negative
Every dog have good and bad points . Every dog .
The ZTP must be NORMAL and SIMPLY , FREE for all persons , from Breeders till every dobermermann owner .
A dobermann must to pass the ZTP how long he is normal on head and correct in conformation .
We no need more genepool limitation ,no more monopol , no more politicianists, no more domination of ill showlines .
The ideea to introduce a point system is good . ZTP and shows must be for EVALUATION not do DESTROY bloodlines as happened till nothing remained !
But principal , ZTP must be NOT TRAINED ! !!!! and to evaluate native character . We no need more falsity !

I am glad that few voices have power and courage to ask changement !
I am sorry that the new club WDB and lost the chance of changement !
I has the first which years ago I contest the system and ZTP . The changement will come , for sure.
Because the system is wrong ,against nature , the selection was wrong and what happened is only that facts reflection ! Then the changing is inevitable ! Nobody can stop that .

2014-02-01 12:22, IP: 213.23.84.218, from Germany 15 positive reactions 0 negative
the ztp needs to be changed. this is a fact. i propose to use the system which was used in east germany (DDR). we need a point system. dogs cannot fail ztp as first, but they get 10 breeding value points. the sum of breeding points between two partners needs to be at least 10. so you can mate two dogs with 5 and 5 points, or 2 and 8 points or 3 and 7 for example to each other as a minimum breeding value. of course we need to restrict the matings which a male is allowed to do per year in order to open up the genetical pool. this is a true solution, a solution which is used by many other breed clubs.

2014-02-01 08:34, IP: 79.18.36.92, from Italy 19 positive reactions 0 negative
one answer interview Attilio Polifrone http://www.***.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4383:interview-attilio-polifrone&catid=123:columns&Itemid=121

M.J: According to your judging experience across different countries (Finland, Greece, Serbia, Hungary, Russia, Ukraine, Italy), have you noticed common features with dogs from certain country?

A.P: Obviously, within dobermann breed we can notice many common features, especially in dogs who came from same blood-lines with high inbreeding coefficient. It is quite easy to find same good and negative points. However, there is a lack of understanding well-defined standard coherence. Dobermann as other breeds has small genetic base, rather limited genetic resources and in consequence small genetic diversity what obviously has negative influence. It is worth to mention that over last 20 years, 90% of females were mated by not more than 10 stud males and majority of them had same ancestors. Many important kennels (from Belgium, Germany, The Netherlands etc) were closed from known reason - limited genetic potential. On the other hand, many new kennels have appeared in Russia and East-Europe but genetic-base became even smaller what resulted in today's situation when it is difficult to find good dogs who don't have common ancestors in first four generations. All these problems don't have any possitive impact not only on morphology and character but mainly on dobermann health. I think that institutions are obliged to take suitable actions and in some way it is already started. Right selection is very important but in order to succeed, all serious and carefull breeders have to do more efforts in breeding selections. Dobermann future and heritage is in their hands.

2014-01-31 23:43, IP: 81.158.114.92, from UK 0 positive reactions 0 negative
Can anyone tell me if there is there a 'breed archivist' from Germany who I can ask questions mostly about Dobes in the early years of the military.
Thanks
Jay

2014-01-31 21:08, IP: 95.76.206.187, from Romania 2 positive reactions 1 negative
There we don't talk about Quirinus ! He was maybe best of that lines ! Used corectly maybe he can born value , and for sure, over the critics he borned values and changing . I said that even I am not a Hertig Alpha line . BUT Is so hard for you to understood that all the real problem is the genetical ill background and RECESIVITY of ilnesses which now start to covered the entire genepool and we remained without any refresh ?

2014-01-31 21:03, IP: 95.76.206.187, from Romania 2 positive reactions 1 negative
DO YOU KNOW MINIMAL GENETIC AND INHERITANCES LAW AND WHAT HAPPENED WHEN RECESIVE ILL GENES MEET OTHERS ?
DO YOU KNOW MINIMAL ?

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2014-01-31 10:23, IP: 213.23.84.218, from Germany 3 positive reactions 1 negative

PS: Quirinus was over 12 years old as he died

2014-01-31 21:00, IP: 95.76.206.187, from Romania 3 positive reactions 2 negative
You understood right Germany , probable you have experience in real dobermanns character .
The ZPT must be changed , any NORMAL dog must to pass NORMAL the ZTP .
This is a PASSION , we are not in army , we no need GENERALS or POLITICIANISTS here .
We need a new ERA but will need years till something will be changed ....how long the old mentalities lead us .
The actual breeders generation FAILED their chance to change something because they preffer more fast to preserve their advantage .
Maybe a new one generation of breeders !

2014-01-31 20:21, IP: 84.138.105.57, from Germany 10 positive reactions 1 negative
The ZTP is (a rather should be) a good test of character. If it was done "cold" with no training one would see the "real" reactions of the dog.
Yes, there are trained dogs that don't pass, but imagine if there was no training? Only the EXCELLENT dogs would pass.
The judging has caused the need to train, for example, I think the dog should be allowed to react to the rattle in the group, the gunshot, the umbrella opening, the dog would be deaf if he did not look to see where the noise is from, how many people watching the ZTP do not jump when the gun is fired? And we know when it's coming. It's normal, the recovery is what should be judged. Or you can train your dog to be "deaf" and "blind".
There is value in the test.

2014-01-31 20:21, IP: 93.174.93.145, from Netherlands 6 positive reactions 3 negative
@Laurent Forte

Je verdient je geld door je haar neuken in de kont.

Je bent niets anders dan een kleine hoer.


Met vriendelijke groet,

Maayke van de Ven

2014-01-31 17:08, IP: 87.184.27.2, from Germany 4 positive reactions 1 negative
What is with trained dogs which not pass ZTP?

Who does not fight can not lose.

Is this the right attitude?

2014-01-31 14:10, IP: 213.233.85.92, from Romania 9 positive reactions 2 negative
The problem is because trained dogs which pass the Ztp and peofesional trainers which train that dogs to hide their real character problems and weakness !
The problem are the lies from dobermann breed

2014-01-31 13:14, IP: 87.184.27.2, from Germany 4 positive reactions 2 negative
We donĀ't need ZTP? OK ...

But the Dobermann is a working dog and not a stupid beauty.

Where is the problem if the dog is good to take the ZTP?

2014-01-31 13:11, IP: 213.233.85.92, from Romania 1 positive reactions 4 negative
If i am wrong, can you name the principal hundredth of time again and again ancestors ?
Then, if their genetic is longevive , why all of you discuss about entire race ill genepool and so much premature death when 10 years is a performance ?
Do you are stupid genials or do you are only Fariseic people which cover the genetical truth ,the colevtive creation of this system ?

 

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