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2014-02-13 21:06, IP: 87.184.24.241, from Germany 4 positive reactions 0 negative
Guten Abend liebe Dobermannfreunde!!!

Darf in Slowenien noch kupiert werden?

2014-02-13 19:36, IP: 94.189.175.220, from Serbia 15 positive reactions 1 negative
gledam slike stenaca i ne mogu da verujem ......vecina odgajivaca i u Srbiji ali i inostranstvu ostavlja klempave i repate pse....sta reci nego poltroni i plasljive slihtare.....sramota ko drzi dobermane danas.....i treba rasa da nestane kad su takvi odgajivaci...nije ni cudo sto nemci sve izguraju sto zamisle kad su odgajivaci takvi kakvi su....sitne interesdzije i slihtare....

2014-02-10 15:13, IP: 84.179.69.232, from Germany 14 positive reactions 1 negative
Or let the owner give you the date of the ZTP and where he did it. You can look here (only from 2010) - http://dobermann.de/index.php/ergebnisse, click on Zuchttauglichkeitsprüfungen. There are all the results of ZTP's done all over the world, by date and place. When you click on the specific link it will show you all dogs entered and results. If he won't send you a copy of the result then I think you can assume that it is not real. There would be no reason for him not to send it if he says the dog has it.

2014-02-10 13:24, IP: 213.23.84.218, from Germany 8 positive reactions 0 negative
let the owner send you a copy of the ztp result. it is just as easy as that. you can try to ask at the dv but i dont think that they have a data base. why i assume this is because whenever you take part at a ztp in germany with a foreign dog, they want copies of parents hd results and ztp. they dont seem to have a computer program where they save up the results and they can look it up.

2014-02-10 10:08, IP: 79.16.67.34, from Italy 1 positive reactions 0 negative
how I can see if a dog have pased the ztp? his owner say yes, other people no. Can I ask it at the DV?
They have copies of it?

2014-02-09 12:12, IP: 95.76.206.187, from Romania 4 positive reactions 6 negative
Serbian , will be a pleasure to know a Serbian with courage as in past when I was only a young boy , I knowed a Serbian from Timisoara named Matici Radivoi , which put his power near myself and we was invincible for years in face of ill cohortes !
Don't hesitate to contact me !

W.A.

2014-02-09 12:06, IP: 95.76.206.187, from Romania 2 positive reactions 4 negative
And NEVER this system which maybe will kill my few dogs , BUT never defended us and will do not defend us because I NEVER ACCEPTED AND NEVER I WILL ACCEPT HIM !

2014-02-09 12:00, IP: 95.76.206.187, from Romania 1 positive reactions 5 negative
UK 78.129.148.101 you are a shit without courage hided by " Hide My Ass! Free proxy "
Simply search your IP with google to see this person lasity .

I am real , I am proud by my bloodline which was a great bloodline , and my dogs are real too.

W.A.

2014-02-09 11:07, IP: 94.189.175.220, from Serbia 13 positive reactions 1 negative
prijatelju iz Rumunije....nisam odgajivac i sa odgajivacima u Srbiji nista ne moze da se uradi...vecina su plasljivi politicari i dupeuvlakaci...oni koji imaju muda da nesto urade su isuvise mali da bi bilo sta menjali,a svi koji su jaci odgajivaci gledaju samo svoj interes...kazem bitno im je da nameste izlozbu da bi na te namestene rezultate prodavali svoje lose pse i jos losije stence....i da se uvuku u dupe nemcima i pezanu da bi eventualno prosli na nekoj jacoj izlozbi(opet sa losim psima) i opet zbog nekog pehara da bi njihove fabrike dobermana zaradile sto vise.....moje misljenje je da takve ljude (kao sto su jaci odgajivaci u Srbiji a svi znamo koji su to) ne treba uvlaciti u novu pricu jer ce da upropaste sve...oni su podigli svoje fabrike pasa(to nisu odgajivacnice) na namestanjima i spletkama....truli su i pokvareni i sa takvim govnima ne treba saradjivati....jer ce i od novog kluba napraviti isto sto je i idc sada....treba ukljuciti prave ljubitelje rase a to su pravi odgajivaci i vlasnici...kojih ima mnogo i koji stvarno vole ovu rasu u izumiranju a upravo izumire zbog tih fabrika pasa,BEHTA,PEZANA,I OSTALIH POLITICARA I NAMESTACA IZLOZBI I UBICA RASE..... JA IMAM MUDA DA DIREKTNO NAPADNEM NEMCE I SVE TE FABRIKE DOBERMANA....JAVNO ALI IZGLEDA DA SAM USAMLJEN U TOME....MNOGO JE PICAKA U RASI....

2014-02-09 09:25, IP: 78.129.148.101, from UK 4 positive reactions 3 negative
valencia = weinberge avatar = mobil phone 213.233.85.88 = 95.76.206.187 = catastrofic breeder = internetic breeder

2014-02-09 09:25, IP: 78.129.148.101, from UK 3 positive reactions 6 negative
Rip Maxim

2014-02-09 07:47, IP: 213.233.85.88, from Romania 2 positive reactions 3 negative
You have courage friend Serbian . Who are you because I do not know any Serbian capable to rise with true  against the system ?

Yes ,  and we still can create a real Club , not a phantom leaded by fear . It is our constitutional right to associate free without fear and without the order words  "we must to take care "  which becomed the emblem of WDB !
We can promote FREEDOM in breeding , equality for dogs and breeders , respect for all world bloodlines ,  new ZTP rules , beautiful shows where all are winners not vanitouse rings  of death .

Think to that !

2014-02-09 00:18, IP: 94.189.175.220, from Serbia 11 positive reactions 2 negative
a sto se tice promena u rasi....necete uraditi nista....zato sto ne mozete da uradite nista...odgajivaci su picke koje ne smeju da se suprotstave nemcima i to je to...standard se menja...rasa nestaje a vi i dalje serite po internetu umesto da pravite paralelan klub sa idc-om i da se forsiraju kupirani psi....za pet godina bi idc nestao sa svojim klempavim i repatim psima(to nisu dobermani)...PONAVLJAM-JEDINO RESENJE JE PARALELAN INTERNACIONALNI KLUB(NE INTERNET SRANJE TIPA WDB)...PRAVI KLUB I DA SE LOBIRAJU LJUDI DA DODJU U TAJ KLUB...PONAVLJAM SAMO TAKO NESTO MOZE DA SE URADI...DA SE UDJE U OTVORENI RAT SA NEMCIMA ZA RASU...TO STO JE RASA MATICNO NEMACKA...NISTA NE ZNACI...ONI SU RESILI DA JE UPROPASTE ZABRANOM KUPIRANJA I SVOJOM POLITIKOM I NAMESTANJIMA NA IDC-U ZA SVOJE I PEZANOVE PSE....PROBUDITE SE I PRAVITE KLUB I IGNORISITE IDC I NEMCE...TO JE JEDINI NACIN...UVEK CE BITI ZEMALJA KOJE CE DOZVOLJAVATI KUPIRANE PSE....A POSLE RADITE NA POBOLJSANJU SVEGA OSTALOG STO SU NOVOKOMPONOVANI ODGAJIVACI(FABRIKE PASA),MARKETING FIRME UPROPASTILE U RASI.....ZNA SE KOJE SU TO FIRME ...IMA IH DOSTA I U SRBIJI...ALI I U ITALIJI,RUSIJI,UKRAJNI,MADJARSKOJ...NJIH TAKODJE TREBA UGASITI I ZABRANITI VISE TREND NAMESTANJA IZLOZBI ZBOG REKLAME ZA PRODAJU PASA U TIM FABRIKAMA DOBERMANA...PREPOZNACE SE ONI SAMI KOJI SU.....

2014-02-08 22:44, IP: 95.76.206.187, from Romania 0 positive reactions 1 negative
They make a change !
A GREAT DANE MONSTER FULLY BY SKIN AND ILNESSES , WITH BIG TAILLLLL AND BIGGG EARS AS AIRPLANES PROHIBITED TO PARTICIPATE TO TRAINED ZTP !
THIS IS THE CHANGE OF GENIALS !
I LOSTED MY PATIENCE WITH THEM ! DO YOU ?
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2014-02-08 21:34, IP: 79.205.194.85, from Germany 0 positive reactions 0 negative

Congratulations bulgaria ! You are the first who understood the problem. We have zero genetical diversity. The genetic is f*** ed up. No use to cry about the past, no use to blame someone. We need to stop it NOW and make a change !

2014-02-08 22:41, IP: 95.76.206.187, from Romania 1 positive reactions 1 negative
Good Bulgaria, you offer a little genetic lesson to ignorants !
It is true, we can talk now about a GENERAL RECESIVE ILNESSES GENEPOOL which tend to become DOMINANT . Little and MINIMAL GENETIC , GENIALS !

P.S. How the genials solved the problem on IDC ? They are so smart to stop ZTP Starter and to eliminate 80% from dobermanns from selection !
Fortunately except Germany , the pedigeees still are not in their power !

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2014-02-08 21:15, IP: 46.249.82.6, from Bulgaria 1 positive reactions 0 negative

Regardless of which dogs you base the foundation of your breeding program on, without diversity problems will eventually arise in the long term. With inbreeding, over time recessive genes become dominant which can lead to an increase in genetic problems, even if the founding dogs were healthy and long lived themselves.

2014-02-08 21:47, IP: 46.249.82.50, from Bulgaria 2 positive reactions 1 negative
Livestock breeders have known this for ages, the pedigree dog world just refuses to acknowledge the facts. Anyone with even a limited knowledge of genetics should be well aware of this. Or even basic knowledge of history - look at what the human inbreeding led to in the royal families.

2014-02-08 21:34, IP: 79.205.194.85, from Germany 5 positive reactions 1 negative
Congratulations bulgaria ! You are the first who understood the problem. We have zero genetical diversity. The genetic is f*** ed up. No use to cry about the past, no use to blame someone. We need to stop it NOW and make a change !

2014-02-08 21:15, IP: 46.249.82.6, from Bulgaria 7 positive reactions 1 negative
Regardless of which dogs you base the foundation of your breeding program on, without diversity problems will eventually arise in the long term. With inbreeding, over time recessive genes become dominant which can lead to an increase in genetic problems, even if the founding dogs were healthy and long lived themselves.

2014-02-08 20:11, IP: 75.23.184.186, from USA 11 positive reactions 0 negative
Ali..Baron Bryan
There is a breeder in California that has stayed true to the Western European blood lines.
Imported a Ali daughter and used Baron Bryan twice with other well known Western European
blood lines. All their blood lines go back to these two great Dobermanns. They health test in an honest manner
crop/dock and know how to export world wide. The most important thing about these people is that they
only breed once a year. They know how to protect the breed. Do you????

2014-02-08 16:21, IP: 94.189.175.220, from Serbia 8 positive reactions 2 negative
da se razumemo...nemacki odgoj je uvek bio los...sve sto je vredelo u nemackoj su bili holandski psi...uvek ste imali krs i sada ga imate...moj primer je bio samo to da mogu psi da budu vrhunski eksterijerni i radni primerci....usrali ste rasu i to je to...sa politickim parenjima....i politikom dv-a i pezana i ostalih....sta je ztp...sranje za ***ske pse...koliko plasljivih,ujedljivih ...itd pasa ima v1a...koliko pasa sa 75-76cm ima v1a...da manje teoretisete a vise radita na sklanjanju politicara i fabrika dobermana...mozda bi se i nesto desilo bolje,zasto nervozno agresivni urbano ima toliko parenja,ili plasljivi fedor ili maxim koji daje lose kukove....zato sto se pari samo sa izreklamiranim losim primercima u vlasnistvu odgajivaca koji su na glasu...politika i pare....kao sto rekoh....samo serete po internetu a niko nema muda da pokrene bilo sta pametno da bi nesto krenulo na bolje...I NARAVNO DA PISEM NA SVOM JEZIKU.....

2014-02-08 16:02, IP: 79.205.194.85, from Germany 5 positive reactions 3 negative
Dear serbian friend ! I know both dogs in person and live ! Both Ali v. Langenhorst and also Baron Bryan. Both dogs amazing regarding look and character. But my friend from Serbia it seems you did not see the working dobermanns in germany lately. The working dogs in germany today are so far away regarding looks from ali and baron bryan like the eifel tower is far away from belgrad ! Neither do i like huge oversized dogs but a female for me must be over 30kg and a male over 40kg. A dobermann is not a mallinois. The evolution just did not stop regarding look but it goes backwards. For a working breeder its a shame if their male gets ztp v1a and not sg1a. Because they think only ugly dogs can bite. 30 years ago we would not have breeded with females who get at ztp a G1A !

2014-02-08 15:30, IP: 78.129.148.101, from UK 1 positive reactions 1 negative
I've found this litter with Ali ... and Baron inside.

http://www.working-dog.eu/breed/vom-Heidhauser-Forst-28154?gen_line=9&gen_ik=5&gen_avk=5#

This litter is very interesting and promising.

2014-02-08 15:00, IP: 94.189.175.220, from Serbia 3 positive reactions 1 negative
thank you Romania brother.... Ali von langenhorst and Baron Bryan von harosberg is two great dobermann I talk about......

2014-02-08 14:15, IP: 95.76.206.187, from Romania 4 positive reactions 0 negative
Well said Serbian brother (how much I understood from google translator)
Anyway , you have courage to talk about dobermann race transformation in a grat dane fully by ills .

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Do not slam you in Germany ... Baron Bryan , but in langenhorst .... There are still a lot .... the dogs that worked and killed ... and they idc winners in beauty ... but even in langenhorst was world champion in the operation and lived for almost 16 years .... now , when you shat race with your Great Danes and incest and disease ... remove to separate the work from the exterior Dobermans , Doberman is a working dog in the first place and must is the standard anatomical and good character and health to be true , and you yours say about separation of work and exterior line is bullshit ... shat you race with unhealthy Great Danes , without character , high ceilings shit Doberman ... I give you a concrete example of the two dogs that rambling nonsense ... at the same time to point out that the Baron Bryan lived 13.5 years ... idalan buck- medium strong elegant high 70.5 .... hen elegant high 65 5 .. they are ideal measure of a Doberman ... and your Great Dane and Mastiff you think are Dobermans should be cut off and then the race perked up a little ... so me ... at the same time I held Dobermans while many of you are sucking tit video and all the dogs that live and know what are the real dogs ( eg .. the two I mentioned ) what a tough bastards that have set back race type gamona di Campovalano (patients without invalid characters) or qvirinus is even greater anti doberman ... and another thing ... someone wrote that qvirinus lived for 12 years ... that's a lie ... because it died with less than ten and yielded more blue dogs and whiteness than all the others together ... and bad hips , and had close to 500 mating ... is that the race went to *** ... and after Gamon continued bad things , and you'll shit what you have today ..... it's your fault as money with unhealthy shit for generations .

2014-02-08 13:40, IP: 94.189.175.220, from Serbia 8 positive reactions 1 negative
ne lupaj ti iz nemacke...baron bryan,ali v langenhorst,....ima ih jos dosta....su psi koji su radili pa ubijali...i bili idc pobednici u lepoti...cak je ali v langenhorst bio prvak sveta u radu i ziveo nepunih 16 godina....e sad kad ste usrali rasu sa vasim dogama i incestima i bolestima...vadite se na odvajanje radnih od eksterijernih dobermana,doberman je radni pas na prvom mestu i mora da bude u standardu i anatomski dobar i karakterno i zdravstveno da bi bio pravi,a ti vasi izgovori o razdvajanju radnih i eksterijernih linija je obicno sranje ...usrali ste rasu sa nezdravim dogama,bez karaktera,salonskim govnima od dobermana...ja sam vam dao konkretan primer u ta dva psa da lupetate gluposti...pri tom da napomenem da je i baron bryan ziveo 13,5 godina...idalan muzjak-srednje snazan elegantan visok 70,5....zenka elegantna visoka 65,5...to su idealne mere dobermana...a vase doge i mastife sto mislite da su dobermani treba istrebiti i onda bi rasa zivnula malo...toliko od mene...pri tom drzao sam dobermane dok su mnogi od vas jos sisali sisu i video sve te kerove uzivo i znam sta su pravi psi(npr...ova dva sto sam spomenuo) a sta teske dzukele koje su unazadile rasu tipa gamona di campovalano(bolesni invalid bez karaktera) ili qvirinus koji je jos veci anti doberman...i jos nesto...neko je napisao da je qvirinus ziveo 12 godina...to je obicna laz...ker je uginuo sa nepunih deset i dao je vise plavih pasa i belina nego svi ostali zajedno...i losih kukova,a imao je blizu 500 parenja...e tu je rasa otisla u ***...pa posle gamon nastavio sa losim stvarima i eto vam to sranje sto imate danas.....sami ste krivi sto parite sa nezdravim govnima vec generacijama...

2014-02-08 08:46, IP: 95.76.206.187, from Romania 6 positive reactions 1 negative
do you want war ? That you want ?
We will breed under FCI how long will be possible ! and we will breed our dobermanns without your ZTP selection and pedigrees !

Dobermann insider and few rest but strong breeders , is time to be together !

2014-02-08 08:41, IP: 95.76.206.187, from Romania 3 positive reactions 0 negative
what a shit do you did in IDC congress ? A ?
Now you did WDb to save the dobermann ?
You have no shames ?

2014-02-08 08:41, IP: 95.76.206.187, from Romania 4 positive reactions 0 negative
..and YOU WILL DESTROY 70-80% from race GENEPPOL !
GENIALS !

2014-02-08 08:39, IP: 95.76.206.187, from Romania 7 positive reactions 1 negative
Chris Mangri have a Urbano beautiful son and he have HD readed in Germany by DV . Is OK till this point . Now he informed that can NOT participate to ZTP because the mother have not DV HD - even she have HD A maded by DCR accepted (in this time) doctor (Dr Rooth) .
In this situations are all my others pupies even their father have ZTP .
In this situations are many other kennels from Europe and Romania .

What do you want ? To remain only TREND kennels ? That you want ?
You will lost all your dogs by ilnesses , GENIALS !

2014-02-08 08:33, IP: 79.205.194.85, from Germany 7 positive reactions 0 negative
W.A. i explain you something: no more starter ztp = everyone who wants to take part at ztp needs a hd result from italy or DV. 1 HD result is ca. 100€. worldwide we have about lets guess...hmmm maybe 500 ztp dogs each year ? 500 x 100€= much money for the DV... you understand ? We germans are intelligent. We hide this under the coat of "quality management" as if only we had a vet who can say if a dog has hd.

 

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