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2013-12-18 20:26, IP: 75.23.184.186, from USA 31 positive reactions 2 negative
Germany:
My advice is to track down people like Jens Kollenberg, Kurt Richter
and Ottmar Vogel. All have E-mail addresses. Don't expect them to join the
fight but all can give you priceless advice on how to set a foundation for a new club.
All were presidents of their local DV Clubs and were long term DV board members.
All accomplished breeders and judges. These are the men you should be talking to
as well as others.

2013-12-18 20:26, IP: 80.129.246.235, from Germany 3 positive reactions 1 negative
Interesting research offered even for free at dogshows in germany and still german breeders dont use the chance to give in samples.

2013-12-18 18:28, IP: 93.128.159.176, from Germany 6 positive reactions 1 negative

2013-12-18 09:44, IP: 213.23.84.208, from Germany 28 positive reactions 2 negative
very simple: the leader should be a breeder who doesnt have any political interests. dont think too much about who would join. i think that 90% of all breeders are fed up of this sick politics. ipo trials dont necessarily have to be taken by a judge of a breed club but can be taken at working clubs like DVG, BLV or any other working clubs. ZTP ??? who needs the stupid ZTP ??? we need new breeding rules ! easier breeding rules, so more people breed the doberman in order to enlarger the genetical pool ! where is the german dobermann after 30 years of ZTP selection ? nowhere !!! in comparison to countries with no ztp like russia, italy, serbia - or other countries where we dont need german ztp - germany has the worst dogs !!!! where is the quality ? the german man loves to restrict himself with his own hands, loves to make easy things hard in order to hit his chest and say: we have the strictest breeding rules ! but where is the quality ???? there is no quality in germany ! so we dont need stupid breeding rules, we need more breeders !




Germany:
How would you go about forming a new Dobermann Club?
Who would be it's leaders? What would be it's foundation?
Who would join? How would you go about getting judges for
shows, ZTP and IPO trials. What current DV judge would be willing
to stick his neck out only to have Hans ban him from the club.
Same for current DV members. Get rid of Hans and a few of his
flunkies and it can be done.
Change comes about when members get fully discussed and
angry enough to make the first step.

2013-12-17 06:48, IP: 92.9.141.70, from UK 2 positive reactions 0 negative
If the shows are run under the KC rules then no you cannot compete with a cropped and docked dog

2013-12-17 06:23, IP: 75.23.184.186, from USA 19 positive reactions 0 negative
Germany:
How would you go about forming a new Dobermann Club?
Who would be it's leaders? What would be it's foundation?
Who would join? How would you go about getting judges for
shows, ZTP and IPO trials. What current DV judge would be willing
to stick his neck out only to have Hans ban him from the club.
Same for current DV members. Get rid of Hans and a few of his
flunkies and it can be done.
Change comes about when members get fully discussed and
angry enough to make the first step.

2013-12-17 06:10, IP: 75.23.184.186, from USA 2 positive reactions 0 negative
UK:
Call or E-mail agility clubs and ask.

2013-12-16 07:49, IP: 213.23.84.207, from Germany 25 positive reactions 0 negative
that is the reason why we should build up a new dobermann breeding club ! end corruption ! end the reign of the politicians who sold our beloved breed for their own benefits !

2013-12-15 23:26, IP: 188.29.121.141, from UK 1 positive reactions 2 negative
Hi can any one tell me if i import a dobe in to the UK which has been cropped and docked can i show it in a English Agility kennel club show ?

2013-12-15 20:56, IP: 31.46.177.106, from Hungary 7 positive reactions 4 negative
The news is that on 1Jan15 FCI will ban cropped/docked Dobermanns from
competing in trials or shows world wide. You can kiss it all good-by. A hardy thank you to
DV for rolling over and giving in with out a word or whimper.

To Italy ,

I do not think it matters if it is forbidden or not to show or to do compete for the most puppy buyers and a someone who want a cropped and docked puppy are prepared to for i even if it cost 10x ore than a natural puppy.
FCi is not the only dog organization in the world.

2013-12-15 11:17, IP: 77.105.26.132, from Serbia 4 positive reactions 0 negative
hahhahahaa,all posts are delete ,why!?????

2013-12-14 16:22, IP: 109.43.3.40, from Germany 1 positive reactions 0 negative
Why don't you ask the owner?

2013-12-03 14:36, IP: 67.159.5.242, from USA 12 positive reactions 1 negative
Dragon is a nice dog with nice pedigree for the right person;
- 5 years old
- Multi Champion
- HD B
- IPO 1
- Health testing not complete

Anything else you want to know?
Yes where his hips are taken and what Club he got his IPO 1? To much dogs have IPO 1 but don't manage a ZTP ?????

2013-12-03 14:06, IP: 138.246.2.183, from Germany 0 positive reactions 3 negative
Dragon is a nice dog with nice pedigree for the right person;
- 5 years old
- Multi Champion
- HD B
- IPO 1
- Health testing not complete

Anything else you want to know?

2013-12-03 08:37, IP: 77.4.163.150, from Germany 12 positive reactions 1 negative
i am sure the owner of Dragon loves him a lot ...or the money !!!

2013-12-03 07:50, IP: 94.213.116.72, from Netherlands 13 positive reactions 2 negative
hahahaha best joke of 2013 20.000 euro for a dog. Keep on dreaming. Maybe a fool with lots of money agrees. But no human being with brains will.

2013-12-03 00:37, IP: 93.174.93.145, from Netherlands 11 positive reactions 10 negative
If he have ZTP V1A maybe 2000/3000 euro are OK

2013-12-03 00:22, IP: 86.160.253.97, from UK 11 positive reactions 1 negative
What makes a dog worth this much?

2013-12-02 14:49, IP: 94.189.175.220, from Serbia 8 positive reactions 17 negative
I ask owner-20000e-dragon

2013-12-02 14:47, IP: 94.189.175.220, from Serbia 4 positive reactions 18 negative
dragon-20.000e

2013-12-02 13:15, IP: 109.121.14.167, from Serbia 0 positive reactions 16 negative
15000 euro

2013-12-02 06:39, IP: 213.23.84.215, from Germany 5 positive reactions 0 negative
Serbia, why don't you ask the owner of Dragon for the price ?

2013-12-01 23:01, IP: 94.189.175.220, from Serbia 0 positive reactions 2 negative
PRICE FOR DRAGON DI ALTOBELLO????

2013-12-01 22:59, IP: 94.189.175.220, from Serbia 0 positive reactions 3 negative
FOR SALE-DRAGON DI ALTOBELLO-V2-VICE WINNER- WORKING CLASS- IDC 2013?????????

2013-12-01 16:28, IP: 75.23.184.186, from USA 25 positive reactions 0 negative
Germany:
Sorry to disagree but one member can help to make a statement by simply not
entering the shows. That one member can influence another and that member can
influence far more and on and on. If members boycott the large shows it will hit DV/IDC
in the form of low entries. Low entries mean that the show will not be able to pay for itself.
Do this a few times and it will get the attention of the corrupt leadership. The only problem with this
is that the low quality breeder/owner will see it as a chance to get a cheap title.

2013-12-01 13:56, IP: 24.217.218.237, from USA 8 positive reactions 1 negative
213.23.84.215, from Germany OK I understand the problem of single member. And trying to imagine Jahreshauptversammlung. But single members meets with another single members and talk

2013-12-01 10:23, IP: 213.23.84.215, from Germany 17 positive reactions 2 negative
the point is, that single members who opened up their mouths were not only persecuted by the leaders in shows but also on breeding tests or simply distroyed and thrown out of the club. it is always easy to make statements if you are not sitting in the same boat. members have to ally and do something together as a mass of people who want a change. single members are just thrown out. dear usa you have not visited one single Jahreshauptversammlung. mr. becht for examples behaves even worse on these meetings than he behaved to mr. malbasa at the idc. one man with no education trying with all force to be king. if the will be the new dv leader, we can burry the entire breed.

2013-12-01 05:56, IP: 24.217.218.237, from USA 14 positive reactions 1 negative
Yes, The shame is on the members. The members cared more about their titles!!!!!!!!!!!

2013-11-30 21:37, IP: 75.23.184.186, from USA 23 positive reactions 1 negative
Germany:
That should read Minister Wiblishauser.
He invaded DV and has occupied the leadership
while DV members did nothing for decades. The shame
is on the members. Look at the state of the DV and IDC
then ask yourself, could I have done something.

2013-11-30 19:44, IP: 79.205.194.214, from Germany 23 positive reactions 1 negative
yes. specially big thanks to mister wiblishauser who in 1998 cared more about his position in the VDH then about the breed he represented and let the docking ban come to germany. this was the beginning of the end. now we will have it worldwide... thank you mister wiblishauser ! you sold our breed !

 

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