2012-08-30 23:55, IP: 24.142.180.238, from United States

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N0 I am not a member of the club I visit, I am not going to join until I choose a puppy which the trainer / owner will evaluate for me as he did the parents. Yes, all they have had is bite work and scent training but enough to know they could do it. As for my boy you are welcome to come up to me when he is around to test his protection instinct. Since you seem to be real worried abotut what I do with my dogs I will give you this last explanation, the reason I did not work the current dogs I have is that when I pay to have a dog work titled it will have my kennel name on it not someone elses. Finally why is it that you are so worried about what I am doing with my dogs?

2012-08-30 18:46, IP: 75.23.184.186, from United States

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America
No one is talking about showing your dogs.
I am asking what expertise you have to make the judgment
that your dogs are good for sport or protection. I am starting to get the impression that you have never competed or worked your dogs.
Just because you are around your dogs means nothing about their working mentality. I leave that up to the bite helper and a qualified
Working dog judge. Reading books or watching videos or a few training sessions again means nothing. Are you a member of any IPO Club and if so do you attend. Your dogs are 4 years old they should have a BH or a IPO-I But I don't think they do.
I think you are reading pedigrees and books, perhaps talking to a few trainers and have formed the opinion that you have good dogs.

2012-08-30 18:35, IP: 24.142.180.238, from United States

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I should have said to participate in the shows, i actually like to attend them. However I do not like the shows here in the U.S and imports are really not welcome in the AKC and I am not going to waist my money trying to buy a title. All of my dogs parents are champions and are within all clubs standards and I know enough about Dobermanns to say they are pretty good dogs. I will reward potential owners if they acheive titles with any of my puppies that I decide to sell as well as give them at least a 4 year warranty if you will against any of the illnesses my dogs was cleared of. This is by far a better deal I got when I imported mine. If this is not good enough then they need to buy from someone else.

bmgillespie

2012-08-30 09:37, IP: 65.60.129.192, from United States

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I really do not care for shows, I am looking more for sport & work . I have heard good and bad things about Gino and about Baron and every other stud and line. So, I have decided as every other breeder on here to do what I want. I tried to get information from people on here but everything about every line and stud has been nothing but negative. So, why not try what I think I will like. I will not over breed any of my dogs. No more than twice for the girls and at least two years apart. So, I can try what I like. I am not bound by the show world or money.

2012-08-30 03:31, IP: 75.23.184.186, from United States

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What titles do you have on the breeding partners?
If you are talking about Baron Nike I suggest also avoiding
this line. You are walking down the Gino path.

2012-08-30 00:13, IP: 24.142.180.238, from United States

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You are right I have just finish their pre-mating test, they are both almost 4 years old and both their parents are 4 years older and doing well. I know their true personalities and temperments and I beleive they will make some good puppies within the standard and should also have very good work and protection instincts. As I said I am in no hurry not doing it for the money. Bloodline I am looking for will not have Gino, all of my current dogs has Gino on one or both sides. Considering some Baron blood would love some Leo /Jivago blood. There you have it.

bmgillespie

2012-08-29 23:32, IP: 24.142.180.238, from United States

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2012-08-29 16:49, IP: 75.23.184.186, from United States
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Gillespie
A few years you imported two European Dobermanns to America.
You had them health tested and were going to breed them.
But now you are looking to import a puppy. Did you do the
breeding????

Waiting on girl to come into heat now. Puppy I want is from a different bloodline.

bmgillespie

2012-08-29 16:49, IP: 75.23.184.186, from United States

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Gillespie
A few years you imported two European Dobermanns to America.
You had them health tested and were going to breed them.
But now you are looking to import a puppy. Did you do the
breeding????

2012-08-27 23:31, IP: 24.142.180.238, from United States

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france,
thank you, this is good news.

bmgillespie

2012-08-27 19:10, IP: 93.30.73.248, from France

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2012-08-22 07:30, IP: 93.30.73.248, from France
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bmgillespie.......If your choice of puppy comes from a rabies free country it may be able to travel early enough for the procedure of cropping to be done (by 12wks old) if not then the answer would be no you would have to check your quarantine laws to find out , as for docking its always best for the tail to be removed as early as possible although some country's dock when they crop incase they have a sale from a country where both are banned.

Thank you,
So you are saying that a puppy can still be docked as late as 12 weeks old. If this is true then I do not have aproblem.

Yes a lot of breeders dock when the ears are done and ears must be done before they are 12wks old so yes it is possible depending on your quarantine laws, if you cannot receive your puppy before 16wks old then it cannot be cropped if coming from a country that has banned the procedure unless its been cropped illegally

2012-08-24 18:11, IP: 178.32.211.130, from France

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As if they ever REALLY cared for our breed. Come to "our" they actually think it is THEIR breed and that it only belongs to them and to Germans. The latter will prove them right, once you all start visiting DV show with your uncropped dogs and get back home with empty hands.
Mark my words.

2012-08-23 08:08, IP: 79.40.65.133, from Italy

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2012-08-22 19:22, IP: 151.76.148.98, from Europe

Hi, I've asked the same at the DV and they reply only, yes.
Nothing more.

2012-08-22 19:45, IP: 88.152.158.99, from Germany

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No idea, what you guys are discussing about, but: Searching for our former dog Lump von Hagenstolz I found this chatboard. Bitten is compleately right, that Lump von Hagenstoplz was owned by my father Kurt Scheid, Hilden.
If you have any open questions, let me know: he's still alive.
But - please don't try to contact him directly- he's 92....

Rgds

Tilo Scheid

2012-08-22 19:22, IP: 151.76.148.98, from Europe

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Can somebody tell me if the FCI dobermann standard will be changed at the end of the year so the ears and tail cannot be cut.
If they are cut they will not be allowed to show in the expos.

2012-08-22 13:07, IP: 65.60.129.192, from United States

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2012-08-22 07:30, IP: 93.30.73.248, from France
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bmgillespie.......If your choice of puppy comes from a rabies free country it may be able to travel early enough for the procedure of cropping to be done (by 12wks old) if not then the answer would be no you would have to check your quarantine laws to find out , as for docking its always best for the tail to be removed as early as possible although some country's dock when they crop incase they have a sale from a country where both are banned.

Thank you,
So you are saying that a puppy can still be docked as late as 12 weeks old. If this is true then I do not have aproblem.

2012-08-22 07:30, IP: 93.30.73.248, from France

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bmgillespie.......If your choice of puppy comes from a rabies free country it may be able to travel early enough for the procedure of cropping to be done (by 12wks old) if not then the answer would be no you would have to check your quarantine laws to find out , as for docking its always best for the tail to be removed as early as possible although some country's dock when they crop incase they have a sale from a country where both are banned.

2012-08-21 20:42, IP: 24.142.180.238, from United States

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Hello all,
Is it legal to have a puppy cropped / docked in countries that have banned it, if the puppy is being exported to a country that allows corp /docking. Of course I am only worried about the docked part, they can always be cropped? It seems this should be allowed, if proof of sale and destination of country. I am pretty sure it is not, but something someone might want to consider. I am not bringing this up to start the crop/ dock vs natural deabte. I personally prefer my Dobes docked. I have seen a few puppies that I wanted to purchase but they were not docked and they say it is to late by the time they are old enough to ship to U.S. Is there not anyway around this for exported dogs?

bmgillespie

2012-08-17 23:21, IP: 88.244.204.116, from Turkey

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Really ? It is so poweful that it can sponsorize such a research ?!

2012-08-14 20:50, IP: 82.50.69.69, from Italy

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...the Veterinarian Institute of Novara, part of the group “Policlinico di Monza
Cliniche private SPA” which has agreed to sponsor the research. The Veterinarian Institute of Novara, which
is a branch of the General Hospital of Monza, is an institution devoted to offering advanced and specialized
veterinary services and to the development of scientific research in the field of veterinary and comparative
medicine
http://www.ildobermann.it/focus/383-comunicazione-ai-soci

2012-08-12 19:12, IP: 89.204.130.35, from Germany

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we all know for sure how much such research cost - not a problem if the presidium of IDC and DV wouldn't all the time put the money into their pockets and instead would invest it into something usefull.
since these things will not change in close future - this whole genome reseach thing, is just a dead born child of people who want to abstract the attention of the dobermann world from the real problems - the political leaders of the breed !

2012-08-10 10:31, IP: 93.182.129.86, from Sweden

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"Dobermann Genome Project
real good idea.............some wrong things but id the future probbly those things will be changed"

Are you serious, Italy? Did you write this because someone ordered you to do so?
This is just a cover up so they continue to blackmail breeders with their DNA bullshit. Who in their sane mind would give them breeding database? As if they really care about this breed. This is just hilarious. Who's paying for this research? Do you guys have any idea how much this costs?

2012-08-10 08:48, IP: 79.21.52.165, from Italy

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Dobermann Genome Project

real good idea.............some wrong things but id the future probbly those things will be changed

2012-08-10 05:09, IP: Admin, from

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As you see, I'm deleting your posts about Purgaj. You wrote quite enough times about him, I'm sure everyone here is familiar with the situation and there's really no need to keep repeating the same story again and again. Take into consideration that by asking you to stop with this, I'm not taking anyone's side...I'm sure justice will be served in the end.

2012-08-07 14:04, IP: 31.172.30.3, from Germany

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"- A judge is not permitted to consult the catalogue of the show before or during his judging."

Same as they did in 2011 IDC?

2012-08-07 07:41, IP: 79.1.72.79, from Italy

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part 4

Appendix to the DOG SHOWS AND SHOW JUDGES REGULATIONS
of the Fédération Cynologique Internationale
COMPLEMENTARY RULES FOR THE TRAVEL EXPENSES AND
DAILY ALLOWANCE FOR JUDGES

1.
All normal travel expenses including real kilometrage (reimbursement to be decided by the
FCI General Committee, a minimum of 0.35 €/km), parking, train, bus, taxi, flight (a
reasonably priced economy ticket including a cancellation insurance – if possible - and an
option for changeability), as well as meals during travel to the show, incurred by a judge
have to be reimbursed immediately on arrival or following whatever previous arrangements
made with the organiser.
2.
For judging at World, Section and International Shows, a judge is to receive from the show
organiser, in addition to the above mentioned costs, a “daily allowance” of at least 35 € for
each day of judging as well as for each travel day. The organiser is allowed to have daily
allowance for their domestic judges according to their national laws.
The English text is the authentic document.
The amended Appendix was approved by the FCI General Committee in Vienna, April 2012.
It applies from January 1st, 2013.

2012-08-07 07:40, IP: 79.1.72.79, from Italy

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3 part

BREED ASSIGNMENT
A judge must be informed well in advance about what breeds and numbers of dogs he is
scheduled to judge, as well as his duties in the ring of honour. It is the responsibility of the
show organiser to send this information in advance and in writing to the judge.
A judge should not be expected to judge more than approximately 20 dogs per hour and up
to 80 dogs per day if the national organization requests an individual written report for each
dog. He should not have to judge more than 150 dogs per day if such a written report is not
required. In cases of force majeure, for instance last minutes cancellations of judges
because of illness, weather conditions, etc., these figures can be extended to 100 and 200
with or without written report. In these situations there must be a mutual agreement
between the organiser and the judge who should be provided with very experienced ring
stewards and assistants. If a judge is asked to judge more than 100 dogs the judging should
be done without a written report.
RIGHTS OF THE JUDGES
Judges’ rights when travelling to FCI International Shows outside the country of residence
are as follows:

a. The show organization or the inviting club must look after the judge, according to
previous agreement, from the time of his arrival in the country where he is judging
until the time of his departure; this normally includes the day before and the day
after the show where he is officiating as a judge.
b. A judge has to be provided with reasonable accommodation during his appointment,
which may also include the night before and the night after the show, according to
the judge’s travel arrangements.
c. Judges are free to make private arrangements with show organisers, which may
differ from those stated in the “Appendix to the Dog Shows and Show Judges
Regulations of the Fédération Cynologique Internationale”. However, when such
personal arrangements have not been made, judges must be provided with the
benefits mentioned in the appendix.

d. It is advisable that financial arrangements be laid out in advance in the form of a
written contract or agreement between the judge and the show organiser; it has to
be honoured by both parties.
RING MANAGEMENT AND ASSISTANTS
Toy breeds and some other small breeds have to be examined on a table provided by the
organisers.
The judge is in charge of the ring. When organizational problems occur, the chief ring
steward has to be consulted and decisions are made in agreement with the judge.
For organizational support, one ring steward and one writer should be made available to
the judge. The above assistants and the chief ring steward have to speak one of the FCI
working languages, as requested by the judge.
The stewards and writers must be provided by the organiser of the show.
The ring stewards must have a good knowledge of the Regulations for FCI Dog Shows as
well as the national show regulations of the country where the show is held. The FCI NCO
should organise special education and an authorization system for ring stewards and
assistants.

The steward and the writer should provide the following service to the judge:
- collect the classes;
- check the absentees in each class;
- notify the judge of any change of handler or any irregular entry;
- in priority write the judge’s critique, when required, in the language chosen by the
latter (and communicated to the show organiser in advance) so that the judge will
understand what is written. If necessary, translation of reports should be done
outside the ring in a special translation area.
- organise all the necessary paperwork and distribution of awards;
- follow all the judge’s instructions.
11. RESTRICTIONS FOR JUDGES AT SHOWS
- A judge should never be late for his judging appointments or leave the show ground
before he has completely fulfilled the duties that were assigned to him.
- A judge should not criticise the work of another judge.
- Under no circumstances can a judge solicit appointments to judge.
- A judge is not permitted to consult the catalogue of the show before or during his
judging.

- In the ring a judge must behave properly and examine all dogs indiscriminately. He
should be soberly and properly dressed, in accordance with the duty to be fulfilled,
and should always be correct and urbane.
- A judge cannot smoke in the ring.
- A judge cannot drink alcohol in the ring.
- A judge cannot use a mobile phone in the ring while judging.
- A judge can neither enter nor handle a dog at a show where he is officiating as a judge
- A partner, any member of his immediate family or person living with the judge in his
household can enter and handle any dog of any breed that this judge is not judging on
that day of the show.
- The dogs that a judge handles at a CACIB show where he is not acting as a judge must
be either bred, owned or co-owned by him, by a partner, by a member of his
immediate family or any person living with him in his household.
- A judge cannot judge any dog that he, a partner, a member of his immediate family
or any person living with him in his household has either owned, co-owned,
conditioned, kept at home or sold in the six months preceding the show where he is
officiating.
- A judge is not allowed to travel to shows where he is judging with exhibitors who are
showing under him at those events.
- Under no circumstances should a judge socialise or stay with the exhibitors who will
be showing under him. He can do so only AFTER his judging appointment is
completed.
12. COMPLAINTS
Any decision made by a judge regarding the qualifications, awards and placing is final and
indisputable.
However, complaints about the organization of the show and about the procedure followed
to give the qualifications, awards and placements are admissible and have to be made
immediately in writing to the organiser of the show, followed by the immediate deposit of
twice the entry fee, as surety. They must be recorded by the show secretariat. If the
complaint is found to be unjustified, the surety will be kept by the organiser. If the
complaint is found to be justified, the money will be refunded to the complainant.
13. PENALTIES
Infringements against these regulations can be punished with disciplinary measures. The FCI
can prevent the organiser concerned from awarding the CACIB at its international events for
one or more years. Such a decision is taken by the FCI General Committee after an oral or
written hearing of the organiser concerned has been conducted. Any appeal against the
penalty imposed by the FCI General Committee shall be decided upon by the General
Assembly of the FCI as a final instance.
14. BAN ON SHOWING
Every member and contract partner of the FCI is obliged, in accordance with its national
legislation, to publish a list of all dogs, exhibitors and/or handlers who are banned from
shows.
All organisers are bound by this ban.
15. ENFORCEMENT DISPOSITIONS
Each organiser of a CACIB show has to follow the regulations and laws of the relevant
country. Under specific complaints, the FCI General Committee can interfere and take final
decisions (including cancellation of a CACIB) in case these regulations are not observed by
the exhibitors, by the FCI judges and/or the show organisers. These decisions should help
maintain the credibility of the FCI international shows and make sure that these regulations
are observed.
Complementary rules for World and Sections Shows of the
Fédération Cynologique Internationale (FCI)
PREAMBLE
Once a year, at an international CACIB show determined by the FCI General Assembly, the
title of “World Winner” can be awarded. Once a year, at an international CACIB show
determined by each section of the FCI, the title of “Section Winner” can be awarded. The
titles of World and Section Winner can be awarded to all breeds, recognized by the FCI on
a provisional or definitive basis. Breeds that are not yet recognized, neither definitively
nor provisionally by the FCI, cannot be entered at World and Section shows.
There is no “Reserve” for World Winner or Section Winner. These shows must be organised
strictly according to the FCI regulations.
The World and Section Shows can only be organised by the FCI full members. No other
CACIB show can be organised on the same continent the same day as a World or Section
Show takes place. Irrespective of the section in which these shows take place, there must be
a period of at least 6 weeks between the World Show and the Section Show. Between a
World and Section Show (when being held in the same section), there must be an interval of
at least three months. The date of the World Show prevails.
Entry fees for the World and Section Shows have to be the same for all the exhibitors.
However, a possible discount is allowed for people who are members of the national
organizing club.
1 RULES
The title “World Winner” and “Section Winner” shall be awarded to the dog and the bitch
that are proposed for the CACIB (see section 7 “Titles, awards and main ring competitions”
of the FCI Show Regulations). The awarding of this title is irrespective of the entry for this
particular breed. In case of breeds provisionally recognized by the FCI, World and Section
Winner titles will be awarded to best male and best female from the intermediate, open,
working and champion class. These breeds are not eligible for CACIB.
The title “World Junior Winner” or “Section Junior Winner” shall be awarded to the best
junior dog and bitch provided that they have received the qualification “EXCELLENT 1”.
The title “World Veteran Winner” or “Section Veteran Winner” shall be awarded to the best
veteran dog and bitch provided that they have received the qualification “EXCELLENT 1”.
The Junior and the Veteran winner titles are awarded according to the FCI CACIB
distribution list.
Regulations for FCI Dog Shows and Complementary rules for World and Sections Shows Page 17
The dog and the bitch proposed for the CACIB, the best junior dog and bitch, and the best
veteran dog and bitch which have received the qualification “EXCELLENT 1” in the Junior and
Veteran classes compete for the titles Best of Breed (BOB) and Best of Opposite Sex (BOS).
One judge, who must be named in advance, awards the above titles as well as the Best of
Breed and Best of Opposite Sex (BOS).
All dogs must be judged according to the Regulations for FCI Dog Shows. A judge’s report is
optional. Reports should be written in the native language of the organising country or in
one of the four FCI working languages chosen by the judge. The organiser decides on the
type of report and is held responsible for its translation. The organiser must announce in the
show schedule whether or not the exhibitors will receive a written report.
For World and Section Shows, the division into groups according to the current FCI Breed
Nomenclature is absolutely compulsory. The individual groups are to be judged completely
on the same day.
A competition for a “Winner of the day” cannot be held. It is compulsory for all Group
Winners to compete on the last day of the show for “Best in Show”.
During each World and Section Dog Show, the organiser should also hold a World and
Section Obedience competition and a World and Section Junior Handling competition.
2 SHOWGROUNDS AND RINGS
The World and Section Shows must be held on a show ground that is suitable for such a
purpose.
Each individual ring must be large enough so that the dogs can be judged standing and have
enough space to move around freely in the ring, according to the size and the number of
dogs.
The organisers of the World and Section Shows must provide a ring of honour which is large
enough to give room for all the dogs to be judged in accordance with the FCI groups. The
exhibits competing in all groups and other competitions in the ring of honour should be
pre-judged in separate rings in due time before they are expected in the ring of honour
according to the schedule. A further examination by the judge in the ring of honour should
be limited to shortlisted semi-finalists or finalists.
The organisers must make sure that the BOB winners have easy access to the ring of
honour from the pre-judging ring.
If other activities are taking place during the show, these may not interfere with the smooth
running of the show.
The organising committee must ensure sufficient weather protection in case of outdoor
showing.
3 JUDGES
Judges who officiate at World or Section shows must be especially experienced with the
breed(s) they are to judge and should have great experience in large and important FCIshows.
Proof of this experience should be provided.
Best in Group (BIG) and Best in Show (BIS) competitions must be judged by only one judge
who is authorized to do so.
At World and Section shows, only an FCI International All Breed Judge from a full member of
the FCI may judge the BIS competition.
Only an FCI group judge from a full member of the FCI approved for this group, or an FCI
International All Breed Judge from a full member of the FCI, may judge the BIG competitions.
A balanced international panel of judges must be nominated for World and Section shows.
The rules defined in Art. 10 INVITING JUDGES g) of the Regulations for FCI Dog Shows (at
least 2/3 of the invited judges in the panel have to be judges approved by a FCI-NO) must be
respected. In addition, qualified judges from countries that are not members of the FCI may
be used especially for judging their native breeds.
For World Dog shows, at least one judge from each section of the FCI should be invited.
Programmes for World and Section shows must clearly identify the assigned breeds to the
relevant judges.
For World and Section shows, the national canine organization of the country where the
show is held, must nominate and engage the judges.
Judges who are also the NCO’s official representatives at an FCI General Assembly
connected to the World show must have a minimum of 50% of their travelling expenses
reimbursed by the organiser of the event.
4 OBSERVER OF THE FCI
A The FCI General Committee will nominate an official FCI observer for each World
Show. The Executive Director of the FCI will assist the official FCI observer.
For Section Shows the relevant section recommends the official FCI observer to the
FCI General Committee for approval.
B The FCI observer has the following authority:
a. to assist and advise the organizing clubs during the preparations for the show;
b. to ensure that the national canine organization in the host country has followed
all rules and special regulations of the FCI and that these rules and special
regulations of the FCI are correctly applied during the show;
c. to write down details of all complaints, which are made during the show and
which relate to infringements against FCI rules and special regulations;
d. to inform the FCI General Committee by a comprehensive written report about
the activities, to communicate the relevant complaints to this Committee and to
help the FCI General Committee to deal with these matters, if necessary. A copy
of the report should be sent to the president of the FCI Show Commission.
C If the official FCI observer is also a member of the FCI General Committee, he will
represent the FCI at the show if no other FCI General Committee member is present.
D The FCI observer at World and Section shows is to receive from the organiser the
same daily allowance as the judges, as well as his travelling, accommodation and
meal expenses.
The English text is the authentic document.
These regulations were approved by the FCI General Committee at the meeting in Berlin,
on October 31st, 2007. They become effective from January 1st, 2008.

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part 2

6 QUALIFICATIONS AND PLACINGS
The qualifications given by the judges must correspond to the following definitions:
EXCELLENT may only be awarded to a dog which comes very close to the ideal standard of
the breed, which is presented in excellent condition, displays a harmonious, well-balanced
temperament, is of high class and has excellent posture. Its superior characteristics in
respect of its breed permit that minor imperfections can be ignored; it must however have
the typical features of its sex.

VERY GOOD may only be awarded to a dog that possesses the typical features of its breed,
which has well-balanced proportions and is in correct condition. A few minor faults may be
tolerated. This award can only be granted to a dog that shows class.
GOOD is to be awarded to a dog that possesses the main features of its breed. The good
points should outweigh the faults so that the dog can be considered a good representative
of its breed.
SUFFICIENT should be awarded to a dog which corresponds adequately to its breed, without
possessing the generally accepted characteristics or whose physical condition leaves a lot to
be desired.

DISQUALIFIED must be awarded to a dog which does not correspond to the type required by
the breed standard; which shows a behaviour clearly not in line with its standard or which
behaves aggressively; which has testicular abnormalities; which has a jaw anomaly; which
shows a colour or coat structure that is not according to the breed standard or clearly
shows signs of albinism. This qualification shall also be awarded to dogs that correspond so
little to a single feature of the breed that their health is threatened. It should furthermore be
awarded to dogs that show disqualifying faults in regard to the breed standard. The reason
why the dog was rated DISQUALIFIED has to be stated in the judge’s report.
Dogs that cannot be awarded one of the above qualifications shall be released from the ring
with the rating:
CANNOT BE JUDGED. This rating is to be given to any dog which does not move, which is
lame, which constantly jumps up and down on its handler or tries to get out of the ring,
which makes it impossible to assess the gait and the movement or avoids constantly to be
examined by the judge and makes it impossible to inspect teeth, anatomy and structure, tail
or testicles. This rating is also to be given if traces of operations or treatment can be
observed which seem to indicate that the exhibitor wanted to deceive the judge. The same
applies if the judge has ample reason to suspect operations that were intended to correct
the original condition or feature (e.g.: eyelid, ear or tail). The reason why the dog was rated
CANNOT BE JUDGED has to be stated in the judge’s report.

The four best dogs in each class are placed provided that they have been awarded at least
the qualification “VERY GOOD”.

7 TITLES, AWARDS AND MAIN RING COMPETITIONS
CACIB – Certificat d’Aptitude au Championnat International de Beauté de la FCI
The only dogs which can be taken into consideration for the CACIB are those which have
been awarded “EXCELLENT 1” in intermediate, open, working and champion class. A CACIB
can only be awarded if the dog in question has been assessed as being of superior quality.
The CACIB is not automatically and compulsorily linked to the “EXCELLENT 1”
The Reserve CACIB is awarded to the second best dog which was given the qualification
“EXCELLENT” from the above mentioned classes. The dog placed second in the class where
the CACIB winner comes from can compete for the Reserve CACIB, if awarded excellent. It
is not compulsory to award the Reserve CACIB.
The judge awards CACIB and Reserve CACIB according to the quality of the dogs without
checking whether they meet the conditions regarding age and/or registration with a
studbook recognized by the FCI.
The CAC (Certificat d’Aptitude au Championnat) is a national grading. It is up to the national
kennel clubs to decide in which classes and to which dogs this certificate can be awarded.
The CAC counts towards a national champion title.

The first title of National Champion earned in an FCI country must be with at least 2 CACs
won at shows organised by the same national canine organisation in the same country on
two different days.
Only one judge for each sex and breed carries out the granting of all awards, including
CACIB, and this judge shall be appointed in advance.
Best of Breed (BOB) and Best of Opposite Sex (BOS)
The Best junior, CACIB winner and best veteran from both sexes, if awarded excellent, will
compete for Best of Breed (BOB). The judge must also choose the best exhibit from the
opposite sex (BOS) next to the BOB winner.
Optional (in case an optional Best of Sex competition is held): the best male and the best
bitch from Best of Sex competition compete for Best of Breed (BOB) and Best of Opposite
Sex (BOS).

Dogs of FCI breeds which are not yet definitively recognized (have a provisional status),
although not eligible for the CACIB, are allowed to compete for the Best of Breed, Best in
Group and Best in Show competitions. These breeds can also compete for the various FCI
titles.

Main ring competitions
Best in Show, Best in Group, Breeders’ Group, Progeny Group, Couple Class (Brace), Best
Veteran, Best Junior, Best Puppy, Best Minor Puppy and Junior Handling must be judged by
one judge appointed in advance. To make the competitions in the ring of honour more
efficient the judge should prejudge the exhibits or groups in a separate ring in due time
before they are expected in the ring of honour so that the judge after watching the dogs
enter the main ring can quickly choose the semi-finalists or finalists that will need a closer
look.
The only judges who may judge these competitions are those who are allowed to do so by
their respective national canine organization.
If a dog behaves aggressively in the ring (breed-group-finals) and its behaviour is eyewitnessed
by the judge in duty, the latter has to write a report for the attention of the
organizing committee and has to disqualify the dog for the rest of the competition. All the
awards and titles of the day are cancelled.

8 CONFIRMATION OF THE CACIB
The CACIB proposals will be issued by the appropriate judges. The final confirmation will be
done by the FCI.
It is up to the FCI General Secretariat to check whether the dogs proposed comply with the
conditions accepted for confirmation of the CACIB.
The cards handed to the exhibitors at the shows duly indicate that the relevant dog has been
proposed for a CACIB. They must read: “Subject to confirmation by the FCI”.
The FCI General Secretariat must make sure that the CACIB was correctly awarded. Latest
three months after the show, two copies of the catalogue and the lists of the dogs proposed
for the CACIB and the Reserve CACIB must be forwarded to the FCI General Secretariat by
the show organiser.
These lists must contain the following information:
Catalogue number, name of the dog, studbook and studbook number, sex, breed and
variety, date of birth, name of the owner, name of the judge and class in which the CACIB
was awarded.
The breeds will be listed according to their name in one of the four FCI working languages
followed by the name normally used in the country in which the show takes place.
If a dog is not included in the CACIB list (if for example the organisers failed to mention it),
the proposal card can be accepted as proof provided that no other dog of the same breed
and sex already appears on the list.
9 JUDGES
Only the officiating judge is authorized to make decisions regarding the awarding of
qualifications, placing and CACIB. In this respect, he is obliged to do so without outside help
and/or interference by anybody else.
Only judges who are authorized by their national organization to judge said breeds may carry
out judging and evaluation of dogs. While on assignment, they are obliged to judge strictly
and exclusively in accordance with the FCI breed standard that is currently valid.
Judges from countries that are not members of the FCI can only officiate at FCI shows if the
national organization to which they belong is related to the FCI by contractual arrangement
or gentleman’s agreement. These judges can officiate at FCI shows provided that their name
is included in the official list of their national canine association.

The following also applies:
a. If invited to judge at an FCI show, all judges from countries that are not members of
the FCI must fill in the standardized questionnaire issued by the FCI. It shall be sent to
them in due time and must be returned signed for approval.
b. It is up to the national organization of the country where a judge from a non member
country of the FCI is scheduled to judge to check the validity of the information
contained in the questionnaire.
c. All the judges, including those from countries that are not members of the FCI, must
under all circumstances follow the FCI breed standards when they are officiating at
shows which have been sanctioned by the FCI. The FCI standards for the breeds which
will be judged by judges who do not come from FCI members must be sent to them in
due time before the event by the organiser who has invited them.
d. Judges from non-FCI member countries are only licensed to judge the breeds
recognized by their national canine organizations when officiating at FCI shows even if
they are listed as all-breed judges in their own NCO.
e. Judges from countries that are not members of the FCI must be fully informed in
advance and in detail about the FCI show regulations, as well as other important
procedural matters and regulations. It is the responsibility of the show organiser of
the country where the show is held to provide these judges with the necessary
information.
10. DUTIES OF THE SHOW ORGANISATION COMMITTEE
The show organization committees should have knowledge of the contents of the FCI
Regulations for Show Judges and Regulations for FCI Dog Shows and should respect these
regulations.
The FCI cannot be held responsible for any incident happening in the frame of an FCI
international dog show.
Liability insurance must be provided by the show organization.
INVITING JUDGES
a. The organisers of shows must send a written invitation to the judge. The judge is
obliged to advise the organisers, in writing, about his accepting or refusing the
invitation. He should always carry out his obligations to act as a judge unless
prevented for an important reason.
b. If the judge is unable to meet his obligations for any important reason, the organiser of
the show must be informed immediately by telephone, fax or e-mail. The cancellation
must be confirmed by letter.
c. Equally, the organiser of a show is also bound to keep to his invitation. Cancellation is
only permitted for reasons of force majeure or by mutual agreement with the judge.
d. Should the organisers of a show be forced to cancel the event, or the judging
appointment of a particular judge, they are obliged to refund to the judge the costs
that have already been incurred. If a judge, for any reason other than “force majeure”,
is not able to meet his obligations to officiate as a judge, he is obliged to pay for any
extra costs that may have already been incurred.
e. The judges should sign up a travel insurance contract (flight cancellation, accidents
etc.) whenever they are invited to judge abroad.
f. If judges are asked to judge breeds that are recognized at a national level only, they
must be allowed to do so, following the NCO’s judge regulations and must be provided
with the breed standard by the show organiser in due time before the show.
g. At all International FCI Shows at least 2/3 of the invited judges in the panel (breed
judges – group judges – all breed judges) have to be judges approved by a FCI-NCO. If
the organiser only needs two judges, both should be approved by their FCI-NCO.
h. FCI breed judges from full FCI members, will need confirmation - prior to the event -
from their NCO to judge breed(s) and/or final competitions in the ring of honour
abroad unless the NCO of the country where they have their legal residence have
their judges listed in the FCI Judges Directory (without any restriction being
published in the Directory about those judges). FCI group judges from full FCI-NO are
allowed to judge, without any official authorization from their NCO, all the breeds of
the groups for which they are qualified as well as Best in Group for the groups for
which they are qualified. They can judge the Best in Show competitions provided that
the NCO and the inviting country approve it and they are approved as FCI Group
Judges for at least two of the FCI groups.

i. FCI all breed international judges from full FCI members are allowed to judge without
any authorization from their national canine organization, any breed, any competition,
including Best in Group and Best in Show.
j. FCI national all breed judges from full FCI members with less than 100 registered
breeds are only allowed to judge the breeds recognized by their NCO. They must
have the authorization from their NCO unless they are registered in the FCI Judges
Directory.

2012-08-07 07:28, IP: 79.1.72.79, from Italy

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REGULATIONS FOR FCI DOG SHOWS
CONTENTS
1 Basics
2 Applications
3 Restrictions
4 Special requirements / admission of dogs
5 Classes
6 Qualifications and Placements
7 Titles, awards and main ring competitions
8 Confirmation of the CACIB
9 Judges
10 Duties of the show organization committees
11 Restrictions for judges at shows
12 Complaints
13 Penalties
14 Ban on showing
15 Enforcement dispositions
January 1st 2013
NB: Terms referring to natural persons are applicable to both genders and numbers

These regulations supplement the Standing Orders of the FCI only in respect of those dog
shows in which a “Certificat d’Aptitude au Championnat International de Beauté de la FCI”
(CACIB), award for the title “International Beauty Champion”, can be awarded.
For these events a fee is charged by the FCI for every dog appearing in the catalogue, the
amount of which is to be determined by the General Assembly of the FCI. This fee is due, on
receipt of the catalogues and the CACIB/Res-CACIB lists of the show in question. This fee
must be paid even if no CACIB-awards are granted.
1 BASICS
The FCI members, full and associated, must organise a minimum of 1 (one) CACIB show a
year.
The members are solely responsible for determining in which dog shows the competitions
for the CACIB can be held.
It is the task of the FCI General Secretariat to draw up and publish CACIB show schedules.
The shows, which have been sanctioned by the FCI, must be indicated and designated as
follows: “International Dog Show with attribution of the CACIB of the FCI”
The catalogue of these shows must be clearly marked with the FCI-logo and the following
expression: “Fédération Cynologique Internationale (FCI)”.
2 APPLICATIONS
Applications to get a CACIB International Dog Show sanctioned by the FCI must be sent to
the General Secretariat of the FCI latest 12 months before the show or earliest four calendar
years before the show.
3 RESTRICTIONS
Only one CACIB can be awarded in each sex, in every breed and breed variety - in
accordance with the FCI Breed Nomenclature- on the same day and at the same place.
No other CACIB show can be held the same days as a World or Section show takes place on
that particular continent. Exceptional cases will be dealt with by the General Committee.
If a show has to be cancelled because of force majeure, the organiser must partly refund the
entry fees that have been paid.
The FCI will only authorize shows to be held on the same day provided that these events are
held at an air distance of at least 300 km. In case this distance is less than 300 km, the
approval can be given provided that the organiser who first submitted an application gives
his consent to the second applicant. In this case, appropriate dividing up of the FCI groups
according to the FCI Breed Nomenclature, taking the show venues and days into
consideration, is recommended.
At CACIB shows a breed must be judged, if possible, in one single day and the breeds of the
same FCI group should also be judged in one day. However, it is possible to divide the groups
over two days if needed for organisational reasons.
The decision regarding sanctioning CACIB shows is the responsibility of the Executive
Director of the FCI.
4 SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS / ADMISSION OF DOGS

The dogs’ welfare must be of UTMOST PRIORITY at all dog shows.
The organisers must ensure that the only breeds that will be shown are those for which
breed standards have been definitively or provisionally accepted by the FCI and which are
registered with the studbook or with the appendix to the studbook (waiting list) of an FCI
member country. The same will apply to a non-FCI member country whose studbook is,
however, recognized by the FCI. Breeds that are not yet recognized (neither definitively nor
provisionally) by the FCI, must be recognized at a national level and have pedigrees issued
by a national kennel club that is a member or a contract partner of the FCI. These breeds
cannot be incorporated in any group (they have to appear in a special section of the
catalogue called “breeds not recognized by the FCI”) and they are not eligible for the CACIB
and for the various FCI titles. In addition, they cannot compete in the Best in Group finals.
The normal FCI fee has to be paid also for each dog of these breeds.
At all shows in which the CACIB of the FCI is awarded, the division into groups must be in
accordance with the current FCI Breed Nomenclature. In case this ruling would not be
observed, the FCI reserves the right to refuse future authorizations to award the CACIB at
international shows.
These groups are as follows:
Group 1 Sheepdogs and Cattle- Dogs (except Swiss Cattle Dogs)
Group 2 Pinschers and Schnauzers – Molossoid Breeds - Swiss Mountain and Cattle
Dogs
Group 3 Terriers
Group 4 Dachshunds
Group 5 Spitz and Primitive Types
Group 6 Scenthounds and related breeds
Group 7 Pointing dogs
Group 8 Retrievers – flushing dogs – water dogs
Group 9 Companion and toy dogs
Group 10 Sighthounds
At all shows with few entries the organisers are allowed to have different groups judged
together in the ring of honour for “Best in Group” competitions; however this does not apply
to World and Section Shows.
At all shows, in addition to the designation of the breed in the relevant language of the
organizing country, the schedule and the catalogue should also include the country of origin
of the breed and should be in one of the four FCI working languages.
Dogs and bitches must be entered separately. Numbering must start at no.1 and shall not be
interrupted through the catalogue. Within the same breed, the numbering cannot be
interrupted.
The confirmed titles of International and National Champion and the official titles obtained
at FCI World and Section Shows (World Winner, World Junior Winner, World Veteran
Winner, Section Winner, Section Junior Winner, Section Veteran Winner) can be published in the catalogue. The publication of other titles in the catalogue is left to the discretion of
the country organizing the show.
Sick (temporarily ill or suffering from a contagious illness) dogs and bitches which are
lactating or which are accompanied by their puppies must be excluded from any dog show.
Bitches on heat are allowed to participate subject to the show regulations of the organisers.
Blind or deaf dogs are not allowed to take part in FCI CACIB shows. However, should this
ruling not be observed and a judge discovers that a dog is deaf or blind, he has to send the
dog out of the ring.
Dogs which are not in the catalogue cannot be judged unless mistakes occur for which the
organizing committee is responsible (problem in the printing process of the catalogue, etc.).
The entry forms must have been completely filled in and returned to the organisers before
the entry deadline and the entry fees must be duly recorded and paid.
Dogs with docked tails or cropped ears are to be admitted in accordance with the legal
regulations of their home countries and those of the country where the show takes place.
The judging of docked and undocked or cropped and uncropped dogs must be done without
any discrimination and solely in accordance with the valid breed standard. The organizing
country’s regulations concerning showing docked or cropped dogs should be stated in the
show schedule or on the entry forms as well as in the show regulations.

It is forbidden to prepare a dog with any substance that will alter the structure, colour or
form of the coat, skin or nose. Only trimming, clipping, combing and brushing are allowed

It is also forbidden to leave the dog tied up on the trimming table, longer than necessary for
the preparation.
Micro-chips (ISO-standard) and tattoos are accepted equally as identification.
The organizing committee reserves the right not to accept the participation of an exhibitor
at the show.
5 CLASSES
Double entries as well as late entries (after the closing date) are not permitted. Additional
international or national shows or competitions organised by clubs from the same FCI-NCO
as the club organizing the CACIB show, are permitted within the same showground, when
accepted by the CACIB show organiser.
The decisive date for age is the day the dog is shown.
Only the following classes are recognized at CACIB shows sanctioned by the FCI:

a. Classes in which the CACIB can be awarded:
- Intermediate class (from 15 to 24 months) compulsory
- Open Class (15 months and over) compulsory
- Working Class (15 months and over) compulsory
- Champion Class (15 months and over) compulsory
Working Class
To enter a dog in working class, the entry form must be accompanied by a copy of the FCI
compulsory certificate, WCC (Working Class Certificate), containing the confirmation by the
member country in which the holder and/or owner has his legal residence, that the dog has
passed an appropriate test as well as details about this test.
The only breeds eligible for the working class are those appearing as working breeds in the
FCI Breed Nomenclature, taking into account the exceptions granted to some countries for
some breeds.
Champion Class
To enter a dog in Champion Class, one of the following titles must have been confirmed by
the day of the official closing date of entries; proof of this, by copy, must be enclosed with
the entry form.

International Beauty Champion of the FCI (CIB)

International Show Champion of the FCI (CIE)

National Beauty Champion of an FCI member country (with at least 2 CAC from that
same country)

National Show Champion of an FCI country

National Beauty Champion of a non-FCI country which has signed a letter of
understanding with FCI

National Show Champion of a non-FCI country which has signed a letter of
understanding with FCI
Once the entries for a show have closed it is not allowed to transfer a dog from one class to
another after the catalogue is printed except if an administrative mistake was made by the
Show Committee.
b. Classes in which the CACIB cannot be awarded:
- Minor Puppy Class (correctly inoculated puppies up to 6 months) optional
- Puppy Class (from 6 to 9 months) optional
- Junior Class (from 9 to 18 months) compulsory
- Veteran Class (from 8 years and over) compulsory
c. Optional Best of Sex competition
Must include at least the best junior, the CACIB winner and the best veteran. The judge
places the exhibits in order of quality without taking into consideration which classes they
come from.
d. Optional Collective Groups/Competitions
To compete in these groups/competitions, the dogs must be entered individually in one of
the compulsory classes.
- Brace/Couple Group/Competition: a dog and a bitch of the same breed and variety and
belonging to the same owner.
- Breeders Group/Competition: consisting of minimum three and maximum five exhibits
of the same breed and variety, no matter what gender, bred by the same person (same
kennel name), even if they are not his property.
- Progeny Group/Competition: a sire or dam with minimum three and maximum five of
his/her progeny (first generation, sons/daughters).
These optional groups/competitions should preferably be judged in the breed-judging rings.
The breed judge picks up the best group and only that group is allowed to compete in the
ring of honour.

2012-08-07 06:39, IP: 109.145.103.200, from United Kingdom

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we can go even further back in time when the Ferrolheim kennel used an american dog, Pinemeades Independance, and one offspring became Sieger. The hybrids are nothing new and anyway they aren't hybrids because all Dobermanns have the same root source