2012-07-23 18:36, IP: 24.142.180.238, from United States

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2012-07-23 08:48, IP: 77.77.194.254, from Bosnia and Herzegovina
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@ Germany
well, that's dobermann i guess, a shitty character...
is dobermann really dobermann if it feels comfortable with any man that buys it for few thousand (hundred) euros?

do you know what is the purpose of a dobermann? every single thing in a dobermann standard has logical explanation, so does the character.
dobermann is not universal working dog like malinois, it is a personal dog for protection... so, for a dog to be a personal guard, first step to accomplish that is to make a dog that is obssesed with his master and that's the way mr. Dobermann choose to go with.
Ok, Lover Boy didn't lived with family and children, he grew up in kennel with mr Malbasa as his master... and man that bought him said that his character seemed confident and stable while dog was in kennel, with his master. so, take away a dog that was made to be "crazy in love" with one man and you can easily get dog that is unstable and insecured. Malbasa lied about dog's past, and that's is his fault because he convinced a man to buy a dog that didn't actually grew up with children and didn't say anything about that, putting him and his children in danger. Very irresponsible behaviour!!

BUT,
why dobermann should behave perfectly stable and confident with man that took him away from his master, even if his master has no real feelings for him like mr Malbasa didn't?
dog will never bite without a reason. only a dog that has psychical problems is doing that. there is something that is a trigger for dog's reaction... it could be only one moment or it can last for some time until eventually dog shows how he feels inside...

dobermann is not a perfect, universal breed that anyone can keep, not even close. you can't get an adult dog that will be extremely loyal to his master and yet feel very happy and confident with a total stranger. dobermann owners and breeders always like to emphasize how dobermann is loyal, how he loves his master, how he looks his master like he is god, how he listens and is obedient to only ONE man, and always has at least one eye looking at his master... but guess what, it has a price!

p.s. i don't buy stories with dogs that behaved like angels before, but later they showed their true ,bad evil character.

What he says here is very hard to argue with.

2012-07-23 08:48, IP: 77.77.194.254, from Bosnia and Herzegovina

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@ Germany
well, that's dobermann i guess, a shitty character...
is dobermann really dobermann if it feels comfortable with any man that buys it for few thousand (hundred) euros?

do you know what is the purpose of a dobermann? every single thing in a dobermann standard has logical explanation, so does the character.
dobermann is not universal working dog like malinois, it is a personal dog for protection... so, for a dog to be a personal guard, first step to accomplish that is to make a dog that is obssesed with his master and that's the way mr. Dobermann choose to go with.
Ok, Lover Boy didn't lived with family and children, he grew up in kennel with mr Malbasa as his master... and man that bought him said that his character seemed confident and stable while dog was in kennel, with his master. so, take away a dog that was made to be "crazy in love" with one man and you can easily get dog that is unstable and insecured. Malbasa lied about dog's past, and that's is his fault because he convinced a man to buy a dog that didn't actually grew up with children and didn't say anything about that, putting him and his children in danger. Very irresponsible behaviour!!

BUT,
why dobermann should behave perfectly stable and confident with man that took him away from his master, even if his master has no real feelings for him like mr Malbasa didn't?
dog will never bite without a reason. only a dog that has psychical problems is doing that. there is something that is a trigger for dog's reaction... it could be only one moment or it can last for some time until eventually dog shows how he feels inside...

dobermann is not a perfect, universal breed that anyone can keep, not even close. you can't get an adult dog that will be extremely loyal to his master and yet feel very happy and confident with a total stranger. dobermann owners and breeders always like to emphasize how dobermann is loyal, how he loves his master, how he looks his master like he is god, how he listens and is obedient to only ONE man, and always has at least one eye looking at his master... but guess what, it has a price!

p.s. i don't buy stories with dogs that behaved like angels before, but later they showed their true ,bad evil characater !

2012-07-23 07:15, IP: 213.23.84.222, from Germany

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Bosnia and Herzegovina you speak some really big bullsh** !

even if you buy a dog JUST for breeding, specially then the dog MUST have a sound and clear character. with your text you say : a dog used for breeding can have a shitty character !

it is really long time ago since i heard someone talk such a SH** as you did !

2012-07-22 20:43, IP: 80.93.6.70, from Ireland

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A very bad situation. I am sorry for all involved. I am more sorry for LoverBoy di Altobello as he paid the ultimate price in the end.

2012-07-22 11:14, IP: 62.113.22.13, from Bosnia and Herzegovina

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i don't defend Malbaša, i just want to say that it's not only his fault for the situation that you found yourself in.
come on, if you know anything about dobermann you should know that it's a dog that is very emotional and bonds only with one man in his life, so buying an adult dobermann is bad decision, just as bad as trying to sell one.

i don't get people who buy adult dogs, really...
what you want to do with that dog? will you be satisfied with him and will he be happy with you if you know that if you are in the same room with his true master, a man that he grew up with, you will not exist in this world for that dog...
so, it would be interesting to know what are the motives for doing that?
if you buy it for breeding and to improve your kennel, then you really should use it only for that purposes, not to be your family pet...

2012-07-22 08:08, IP: 84.114.198.138, from Austria

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LoverBoy lived with Malbasa in Kennel not in other Familie as just he said.

And I was also playing with my other Dog and the Childen. He was not alone with LoverBoy.



ps: Bosno nemoj da se javljas vise kad nemas sta pametno da izjavis ili da branis Malbasu.

2012-07-21 22:29, IP: 62.113.27.251, from Bosnia and Herzegovina

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i am very sorry for your nephew, i hope everything is ok now.
but, as man with experience you really should know that you should NEVER let dog, play with children without constant control, especially if a dog is dobermann that didn't grew up with your family... it's just very wrong to do that, especially after that incident with you when you realized that you can't fully trust to that dog...

there is one 4 years old bitch in my town that her owner bought when she was 2,5 years old...she is very nice and sociable dog, but i swear that you can see it in her eyes that she is sad... she has that look like she is constantly waiting for her master,very empty look. her present owner likes her very much, and she likes him but there is no real joy in her eyes when he comes and see her after for example one day of absence. it's a part of dobermann character and selling (buying) a grown dog will often lead to killing dog's character and problems. unfortunately, breeding became serious business and lots of breeders lost their emotions for dogs because they often have a minimum of 4-5 dogs and dogs often just circulating through their kennels and it's all about profit, while in the end dogs suffer... just like lover boy did because his first family returned him to breeder, probably because they expected something different for a big price they payed (he has very good show pedigree) and dog felt lost and became insecure...

i think main problem is that breeders can put some really high prices for their dogs because they can always find buyers that are ready to pay that price. so, more puppies, more money-more money- you don't have to do anything else in your life except selling and reselling dobermann's,and it doesn't take long until you will look into that deep, intelligent dobermann's eyes and only see this: $ $
breeding and owning a dog should be love, passion, one serious hobby that you enjoy ... not the source of money and tool for becoming rich!

2012-07-21 20:44, IP: 84.114.198.138, from Austria

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So jetzt werde ich hier zu Wort kommen.

Ich bin bzw. war der Besitzer vom LoverBoy di Altobello.
Vorigen Sommer war ich in Serbien unten zu Familienbesuch mit meinen zwei Hunden.
Dann ereignete sich ein was sich keiner vorstellen kann.
Aus heiterem Himmel griff Laky meinen damals 10 jährigen Neffen der mit meiner Hündin Ball spielte an und
fügte ihn schwere Verletzungen zu.
Durch mein schnelles Eingreifen konnte ich meinen Neffen retten. Dieser haben wir sofort nach Belgrad in die
Kinderklinik gebracht wo er sofort Operiert wurde.
Laky wurde am nächsten Tag Eingeschläfert.
Herr Malbasa sah sich bis heute nicht verpflichtet auch nur ansatzweise sich bei uns zu Melden sondern bedroht uns
mit seinen Anwälten über Mails und versucht uns Einzuschüchtern.

Unser Problem fing gleich an als ich Laky gekauft habe.
Herr Malbasa lobte den Hund beim Verkaufsgespräch und betonte er sei ein Scheidungsfall und wurde von der Familie zurückgegeben.
Er sagte das der Hund sozialisiert ist und einen guten Charakter hat.
Es stellte sich heraus das der Hund bei Ihm im Zwinger die ganze Zeit war.
Er sei vielversprächend für Ausstellungen und interessant für die Zucht.

Das dies alles nicht so stimmt kam schon bald zum Vorschein.
Mit dem Hund konnte man nicht normal Spazieren gehen wo viele Leute waren er war verängstig und unsicher.
Nach kurzer Zeit hat er mich beim Gassi-gehen in die linke Hand gebissen ohne Vorwarnung od dergleichen.
Hier möchte ich erwähnen das dies nicht mein 1 Hund ist. Ich habe schon jahrelange Erfahrung mit Hunden.

Nach diesem Vorfall sind wir runter gefahren zum Herrn Malbasa und ihm unsere Probleme geschildert.
Er meinte, falls wir wollen sollen wir den Hund bei ihm lassen, er werde ihn in eine Box geben und falls sich jemand meldet werde er ihn weiterverkaufen.
Dies lehnten meine Frau und ich strickt ab da dies in unseren Augen Tierquälerei sei. Also nahmen wir den Hund wieder mit und Arbeiteten mit ihm weiter.
Es kam öfters vor das er auch unseren Besuch anknurrte und bedrohte.

So in English

Let me say just a few worlds concerning the latest post.
LuckyBoy was sold to us with 13Mo, as a „healthy and well sozialized show dog, raised in family among kids and other dogs “-those were the worlds the breeder said to us. He has spent a couple of mounths in a family, who decided to return him back to the kennel from „some family reasons.“ The dog didn't show any sign of agresivity nor problematic behaviour in the breeders presense and at presentation. In his cortyard and in his kennel the dog was confident and stable. At that moment we didn't notice the only person, who actually presented the dog, was the breeder himself. The rest of the kennel stuff watched the situation from the safe distance, faraway from the dog. The upcoming events will show good reason for it.
As soon as Lucky came to us, he showed his true character. He had had a perfect relationship with our bitch, as they spent enterly life together.But outside,in contact with other people showed an enormous fear,panic and insecurity. It was impossible to walk with him among a group of people or even bypass them. I'd like to point out that Lucky is not my first doby,and that I'm experienced owner, who attented dog training schools with his dogs.
The first issue apeared at the very beginig, during the walking. I was bitten sudenly by him without any reason nor warning. Mr. Malbasa was informed about details,but his only answer was that we could give him the dog back, and if someone was interested in dog he would resell him again.
After this unpleasant episode,Lucky act again. This time he attacked my nephew, a 10-years old boy in his courtyard. Again without any sign not warning or reason. They were playing with eachother as many times before,and sudenly the dog attacked withot warning. The injuries were bad and we decided after all to put our boy down.
Mr. Malbaša has never said that he was sorry about this issue or about the dog. The easiest way is to turn your head of the problem , otherwise „We have the business to run!“.

2012-07-21 15:31, IP: 81.170.186.175, from Sweden

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"Regarding photoshop, is a very important tool for advertising"

Whatever happened to: WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET!?

2012-07-21 14:43, IP: 213.233.85.1, from Romania

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Regarding photoshop, is a very important tool for advertising. Is the extension of shaining coups .
Regarding agresive character for sure they don,t inherited that lines principal ancestor , the great Olive Bamby Pride and stable nervs of her family as Dayan and Hertog and many other dogs.

2012-07-21 00:08, IP: 62.113.31.229, from Bosnia and Herzegovina

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yes, breeders should be more responsible, but also buyers should be more serious and think twice when buying adult dog...
we talk about dobermann, and we all know how dobermann loves his master and his family. even if dog has sch3, ipo3, ztp etc, that does not guarantee that it's an universal dog that any human in the world can handle. it's very stressful for a dobermann to be abandoned by his master and everyone who tries to buy adult dobermann should have some real experience and knowledge about dobermann's.
if you are not ready to spend time and learn how to raise a puppy and you think that money can buy you a loyal friend that will be obedient and bring you success in beauty show, than dobermann is not right pet for you... maybe a sport car will suit better, or other human beings...

2012-07-20 21:52, IP: 93.114.43.156, from Europe

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From what I heard that dog's behavior resulted with attacks and bite or two against minors, as well as extremely aggressive behavior in general which lead to inevitable - eventually he was put down.

This example shows us how things can and will turn bad when $$$ is a sole motivation. Selling problematic dog is like handing a loaded weapon. Or better say - loose cannon. Breeders should be more responsible.

2012-07-20 20:46, IP: 78.104.123.73, from Austria

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Apart from a so huge differences in a taken pictures, no doubt that in case of LoverBoy di Altobello, many things about his poor character could be said. The dog was sold to his new owners as a show dog,well socialized and with good working attitude. Unfortunately, that was just a seller's trick for better and fast selling.The dog was so far away from desired behavior.

2012-07-20 16:31, IP: 24.142.180.238, from United States

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2012-07-20 14:22, IP: 77.77.194.254, from Bosnia and Herzegovina
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Oh no, you spoke again, how long will the silence be this time :)

LOL

2012-07-20 14:22, IP: 77.77.194.254, from Bosnia and Herzegovina

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interesting pictures, but you that there is no dog in the world that will look good on every picture you take.
of course, the difference in case of Lover Boy are so huge that i can't beleive that this is same dog on both pictures...
here is another picture of him:

http://anubisdobermanns.jalbum.net/FCI-European Dog Show 2008/slides/LOVERBOY di Altobello.html

well, it's a shame that people use photoshop to correct dog and sell it for more money than they would if they used original photo that represent the dog...

no wonder that almost every puppy on kennel's web looks like future IDC sieger ;)

2012-07-20 11:48, IP: 91.143.90.25, from Germany

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Well then, in that case how about this. No profanity and no advertisement in following content. Try censoring these.

LoverBoy di Altobello before the sales

http://www.dobermann-review.com/for_sale/LoverBoy_di_Altobello/loverboy1.jpg

and after-sales on show in Austria, REAL LIFE image

http://www.dobermann-review.com/show/2008/05-11_ 6_Vienna_Winner/Lover Boy di Altobello.jpg

Or perhaps one Aphrodita di Altobello

http://www.altobellodobermann.com/images/stories/progeny/maxim/23 aphrodita -di- altobello -stand.jpg

and after-sales on non-retouched REAL LIFE image

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/330862_411642715538321_1916854962_o.jpg

Seems that "Altobello team" has more skills than one.

2012-07-19 19:26, IP: 67.210.103.46, from United States

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no profanity, no advertisements and..no truths :-)

2012-07-19 19:26, IP: 67.210.103.46, from United States

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No, they NOT . :-)

2012-07-19 12:02, IP: dobermann, from

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no profanity, no advertisements

2012-07-19 09:43, IP: 173.254.216.66, from United States

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A question for Jelena Izrafel:

WHY ARE YOU CENSORING THIS CHATBOARD?!

2012-07-18 16:22, IP: 65.60.129.192, from United States

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Doug Matson

First, you need to get some kids before you start telling people what they need to do. I am a grown a$$ man, so find someone to tell what they need to do. Second, any showing of white dobermanns and or condoning them is wrong in any arena. I dod not give a damn what you or anyone else says. I did not quit the club becasue I never joined in the first place and as I said never will. My dogs are only AKC registered becuase it is a necessary evil but registering is as far as I will go. i do not participate in any of the showas because I know and you know they are just as rigged as the judges are just as crooked as the ones they speak about on here. Before you say it, I am not saying all of them are but most of them are and that is my opinion on the shows I went to not as a partiicipant but as a spectator. When ecveryone around the ring can pick the dog by who is showing the dog and who is handling the dog before the show starts, there is something seriously wrong.

bmgillespie
Ohio, U.S.A

2012-07-18 15:32, IP: 81.131.246.110, from United Kingdom

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Who judged the recent luxemburg trophy show and where can I get results?

2012-07-17 23:23, IP: 68.103.83.235, from United States

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Mr. Gillespie,

You need to get a clue before you start running your mouth on a public forum. Believe it or not, not everything you read on the internet is true. The noted website is ran by a very small, but vocal group of disgruntled people. Some of them, like you, are not even DPCA members. It would help if you did a little research before you pronounce that the sky is falling.

Their main issue is that cropped ears and a docked tails are more important for a Doberman(n) than temperament, health, or structure. These people are fairly crazy in my opinion.

Also, in America we have open elections Every Year. I may not be totally happy with everything the DPCA officers do myself. However, you do not change things by running away and quitting the club. That will only let them continue. When you have open elections, you vote for the people that believe as you do and make changes from within.

Doug Matson



2012-07-17 15:41, IP: 65.60.129.192, from United States

Come to America and show your Dobermann. Look at your
competition.
www.2undoit.com

THIS IS THE WORST THING I SEEN AND READ ON THIS SITE OR ANYWHERE ELSE CONCERNING OUR DOBERMANNS, AMERICAN OR EURO AND I HAVE READ SOME PRETTY BAD THINGS.
I am not a DPCA member and never will be after reading what goes on. I would suggest you that are members, STOP paying your dues, like with everything else if the money goes away so will the people who is misusing it and their power. I think the same would work for the corrupt people in the Euro clubs. Where their is money there will be corruption, no matter where you live in this world. The only way to get rid of the corruption is take away the money. (If you feed it they will come)

bmgillespie

2012-07-17 21:07, IP: 46.35.138.182, from Bosnia and Herzegovina

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Maybe Nitro del Rio Bianco... his progeny is very good in work and nice looking too....


What current dogs would be consider at least good show/working dogs? Also, what formwer dogs were good show / working dogs? I ask because from what I am getting from here are a lot of dogs with working titles that may not really deserve them. I am a fan of Gino and Prince were they really good working dogs for those of you who actually got to see them?

Really, no comment on good working/showdogs? Not even on the past ones. Are there really no more combination Dobermanns left ?

2012-07-17 15:44, IP: 65.60.129.192, from United States

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2012-07-16 19:23, IP: 24.142.180.238, from United States
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What current dogs would be consider at least good show/working dogs? Also, what formwer dogs were good show / working dogs? I ask because from what I am getting from here are a lot of dogs with working titles that may not really deserve them. I am a fan of Gino and Prince were they really good working dogs for those of you who actually got to see them?

Really, no comment on good working/showdogs? Not even on the past ones. Are there really no more combination Dobermanns left ?

2012-07-17 15:41, IP: 65.60.129.192, from United States

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2012-07-17 02:34, IP: 75.23.184.186, from United States
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Come to America and show your Dobermann. Look at your
competition.
www.2undoit.com

THIS IS THE WORST THING I SEEN AND READ ON THIS SITE OR ANYWHERE ELSE CONCERNING OUR DOBERMANNS, AMERICAN OR EURO AND I HAVE READ SOME PRETTY BAD THINGS.
I am not a DPCA member and never will be after reading what goes on. I would suggest you that are members, STOP paying your dues, like with everything else if the money goes away so will the people who is misusing it and their power. I think the same would work for the corrupt people in the Euro clubs. Where their is money there will be corruption, no matter where you live in this world. The only way to get rid of the corruption is take away the money. (If you feed it they will come)

bmgillespie

2012-07-17 11:27, IP: 176.58.96.228, from Europe

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Any comment on that DV loyalty list? Seems that Lebers went completely mad with those non-consensual sign ins. They signed in complete families and relatives and then DrPezzano and other italians, while that list should have been for Nacional Socialists Germans only.

Once again, DV leadership is abusing breed club and tries to hide behind its members. This would never happen in a free world.

2012-07-17 02:34, IP: 75.23.184.186, from United States

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Come to America and show your Dobermann. Look at your
competition.
www.2undoit.com

2012-07-16 19:23, IP: 24.142.180.238, from United States

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What current dogs would be consider at least good show/working dogs? Also, what formwer dogs were good show / working dogs? I ask because from what I am getting from here are a lot of dogs with working titles that may not really deserve them. I am a fan of Gino and Prince were they really good working dogs for those of you who actually got to see them?

2012-07-16 19:19, IP: 24.142.180.238, from United States

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2012-07-16 11:22, IP: 74.120.15.150, from United States
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Each time the Bosnian guy speaks, everybody shuts up for days. :)


LOL