2012-06-20 12:37, IP: 46.35.141.123, from Bosnia and Herzegovina

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so, it's all about how to destroy breeders from serbia?
i really don't see how italian dogs are better than serbian dogs...
can some expert tell me what this kind of helper behaviour show us and exactly why one dog is better than the other just because he managed to bite sleeve on this particular helper? i'm very eager to gain that level of knowledge...

2012-06-20 09:42, IP: 217.202.50.8, from Italy

9 positive reactions         12 negative

Italy is the first country in the world, to have understood, that a Breeding Championship, go after the concept (Standard) morphology-character, then honor AIAD.
The rest is just blah blah blah a sterile

2012-06-20 07:49, IP: 109.55.193.150, from Italy

8 positive reactions         4 negative

rather say that, friends Serbs, they thought to come and have a "carefree walk" in Italy, Nation that wins twice consecutively, the IDC. WM.
This is the truth!!

2012-06-20 07:33, IP: 109.55.193.150, from Italy

7 positive reactions         6 negative

Germany (Serbia) your argument, to defend the indefensible is to be admired!!!

2012-06-20 03:48, IP: 88.130.34.163, from Germany

19 positive reactions         7 negative

for my friend from Italy, you don't understand or you are blind ? Helper did not work same way with Italian dogs and dogs from Serbia...just ties and not less and not more. OK you understand now?

2012-06-19 17:41, IP: 46.35.141.123, from Bosnia and Herzegovina

17 positive reactions         4 negative

i agree, all participants must come prepared, but also helper must have equal treatment for all participant's dogs... it is obvious that it was not same for every dog. i don't know if that was on purpose or because it was strange positioning and moving by helper which was dictated by the judge.
someone put video about work dobermann in the past, there you can see that helpers waited for dogs to bite and then started to move or run etc. that was not the case in AIAD.
but i agree that criterium must go higher and higher every year, but this is not right way to do it and it will not show nothing... i must correct myself, it shows two things:
first: modern doberman is too heavy and to strong for this kind of work and sport, they lack agility and almost every male had some difficulty to bite on short attack that was indeed even more shortened on AIAD. it is paradox that judges promote big strong dogs and yet they expect them to be agile as malinoa.
second: breeders don't work with their dogs. it would be more challenging if for example judge disqualify every dog that is pulling and acting like an wild animal while walking toward helper that was hidden...

2012-06-19 13:02, IP: 82.58.82.90, from Italy

7 positive reactions         1 negative

But , where is the problem ? Why only this year all this polemic ?
First AIADCH was in 1981, always whif these rules, every year a little bit more strict whith regard to bite. All dobermann's lovers must know that. All partecipant have to be coached well.

2012-06-18 22:19, IP: 46.35.143.208, from Bosnia and Herzegovina

10 positive reactions         4 negative

ok than, lets continue with that discussion.
if you think that i'm trying to defend altobello,i d0nt...in fact i'm not a fan of big kennels with dozen bitches...it's a f***ing farm,not kennel, so for me, altobello is ****.


now back on that AIAD "courage test".
how can anyone judge dog's character just because he missed one stupid bite? and after he missed his first shot, that dog still wanted to bite sleeve, so he definately was not scared or anything like that. the thing is that dog was not prepared for this kind of work with helper and one to blame for that is his owner.
if you watch first 10 seconds in 99% of those videos, you will see dogs that are already very high in prey drive, they are excited and they know what they have to do. what that shows to you? does it really shows that those dogs are brave and courage, strong characters???

2012-06-18 15:13, IP: 109.52.118.218, from Italy

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OK friend of Bosnia, if you like, you can change the theme of the discussion, but this does not change the content of tailings complaints, which have made ​​friends of Altobello Kennel, of alleged misconduct made ​​by the judge and helper AIAD.
These people should be more humble and should have more respect.

2012-06-18 13:14, IP: 62.113.17.171, from Bosnia and Herzegovina

2 positive reactions         1 negative

let's change topic :)
is it better for a dobermann to keep it inside house or outside, in the garden?
i know that almost every dog would like to live inside, with his owner, but do you think is that really crucial for dobermann to express it's character and working abillities?
is it desirable a for doberman to be obsessed with his owner?

2012-06-17 18:53, IP: 109.55.211.163, from Italy

11 positive reactions         4 negative

there is no impropriety on the part of the helper,
the errors you have them in your head

2012-06-17 18:07, IP: 88.130.3.244, from Germany

6 positive reactions         9 negative

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrGu1fSVHTk
similar work of helper like wit Maxim...

2012-06-15 16:55, IP: 79.40.65.208, from Italy

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2012-06-14 20:57, IP: 109.52.68.242, from Italy

Nibbio is a perfect medium sized dog!

2012-06-14 20:57, IP: 109.52.68.242, from Italy

13 positive reactions         1 negative

Do not try to change the truth, this is the truth :

This is not a justification for Maxim.
Also Nibbio del Diamante Nero is a big dog, but he has an excellent character.
English friend, the standard of the breed is and must be unique, morphology and character, must be .

2012-06-14 19:38, IP: 109.92.44.138, from Serbia

11 positive reactions         3 negative

2012-06-14 15:28, IP: 82.21.130.53, from United Kingdom3 positive reactions 1 negative


Maxim is not a working dog and he will never be
We all knew it
he is a conformation dog

If he is too big he is not a conformation dog either


What mean too big? If he is measured on ZTP, and he is standard, then what mean - too big?

2012-06-14 16:59, IP: 67.210.97.252, from United States

12 positive reactions         0 negative

Italy, you forgoted the most important thing: health !
No one of actual dogs fully respect that .

2012-06-14 15:39, IP: 217.202.49.219, from Italy

13 positive reactions         6 negative

This is not a justification for Maxim.
Even Nibbio del Diamante Nero is a great dog, but he has an excellent character.
English friend, the standard of the breed is and must be unique, morphology and character, must be .

2012-06-14 15:28, IP: 82.21.130.53, from United Kingdom

11 positive reactions         4 negative

Maxim is not a working dog and he will never be
We all knew it
he is a conformation dog

If he is too big he is not a conformation dog either

2012-06-14 15:23, IP: 67.210.97.252, from United States

6 positive reactions         3 negative

Where?
In the moon ! There that show dogs have a very good character and they are very longevive .

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2012-06-14 00:20, IP: 97.80.242.58, from United States
5 positive reactions 1 negative


Quirinus and a good working character? Where you were living man????

2012-06-14 08:52, IP: 79.40.65.208, from Italy

4 positive reactions         2 negative

2012-06-13 16:32, IP: 67.210.97.252, from United States

not Quirinus, but his litter brother Quinto yes, for sure

2012-06-14 00:20, IP: 97.80.242.58, from United States

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Quirinus and a good working character? Where you were living man????

2012-06-13 19:13, IP: 67.210.97.252, from United States

0 positive reactions         12 negative

Fedor is a very nice dog and he inherited his father , great Renewal line working abilities .

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2012-06-13 17:51, IP: 79.19.114.154, from Italy
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also Fedor del Nasi have Korung ZVA

2012-06-13 18:55, IP: 93.200.156.236, from Germany

6 positive reactions         2 negative

LOL

2012-06-13 17:51, IP: 79.19.114.154, from Italy

0 positive reactions         10 negative

also Fedor del Nasi have Korung ZVA

2012-06-13 16:32, IP: 67.210.97.252, from United States

5 positive reactions         6 negative

Probable because his 8 Hertog Alpha from his pedigree . I heard that Hertog Alpha had a great working character, as his son Quirinus , too .


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2012-06-13 02:07, IP: 80.93.6.70, from Ireland
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I think that you must also remember that some very good "working dogs" have come from "show dogs". Example = Leo v.
Märkischen Land

2012-06-13 13:39, IP: 213.23.84.222, from Germany

12 positive reactions         1 negative

ireland, seems like you didn't visit the körung in 2007 . do your homework before you give precious advice !

2012-06-13 02:07, IP: 80.93.6.70, from Ireland

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2012-06-12 23:41, IP: 62.40.34.217, from Ireland

"Courage???? WTF, 95% of show dogs are bottlers plain and simple"


I think that you must also remember that some very good "working dogs" have come from "show dogs". Example = Leo v.
Märkischen Land

2012-06-13 01:03, IP: 154.32.92.202, from Europe

11 positive reactions         3 negative

Because a dog can get ipo does not make it a dog of good construction nor does it make it a good breeding prospect it takes a lot more than gaining a title, as regarding working a dog not all people want to do this and why should they if they are happy with there dog and it is in a good home and well taken care of then that is all we can ask for our pups.
T.H.C.

2012-06-12 23:41, IP: 62.40.34.217, from Ireland

9 positive reactions         4 negative

Courage???? WTF, 95% of show dogs are bottlers plain and simple,should not be bred from at all too handy to buy ipo tittles. If the dogs had to genuinely pass ipo 1 the breed would be in a far better place, show people don't want to put in the effort, Have a look at "quint vom edertal" long attack at Idc 2010.it would Be nice if maxim or our other world winners could do that.

2012-06-11 14:19, IP: 37.59.237.163, from China

16 positive reactions         1 negative

@Czech Republic

Now THAT was NOT nice! Why would anyone close their mouth on public discussion board such is this?