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2014-02-17 16:44, IP: 95.76.206.187, from Romania 7 positive reactions 1 negative
Hei Genials !

can you imaginate what happen if the German rules and German trained ZTP ( much $$$$$$$$ are needed ) would be mandatory for all countries and for entire breed ?? can you imaginate that ?

Can you imaginate what happend now, if the ZTP starter is or will be prohibited IF ZTP would be mandatory to obtain pedigrees ?

I will resume for you : The DOMNINATION is ilnesses would be complete ! Only 20-30% from genepol can survive = the Dominant ill bloodlines= trend = Nothing else

Hai capito Genials ?
What you did in IDC congress ?
Do you slip all together ?

W.A..

2014-02-17 10:46, IP: 84.179.70.246, from Germany 4 positive reactions 0 negative
Italy, You are right, these are the breeding rules that I found from the FCI: http://www.fci.be/circulaires/15-2013-annex-en.pdf.
They are very good general rules, but it is the more specific rules to prevent health problems that need to be made and enforced.
It is all very well to have breeding regulations, but if they are not enforced then what good are they?
I know for example that it is not allowed by FCI regulations to breed with a dog with cryptorchidism, monorchidism (only one testicle), but I also know that there was a breeder doing this. When the registering body was asked what can be done, they only said "how would we know?" There is so much apathy! In cat breeding, most registering bodies require a Veterinary Certificate of Entirety for a stud cat to be lodged with the Registrar before his first litter will be registered.
I know things can be faked, but this is where ethics and honesty come in again. Even things as basic as not granting registration to an incest bred litters is at least a start.
The only way breeding will improve is if breeders are ethical and honest, follow the rules and work together instead of against each other.

2014-02-17 08:49, IP: 87.8.69.99, from Italy

the FCI have made a really good breeding rules, no one use them!

2014-02-17 08:49, IP: 87.8.69.99, from Italy 1 positive reactions 1 negative
the FCI have made a really good breeding rules, no one use them!

2014-02-17 08:34, IP: 84.179.70.246, from Germany 13 positive reactions 0 negative
This really is a sad state of affairs. I do not know Jean Paul Godart, I do not know anything about him, nor do I know anything about the French Dobermann Cub.
I am writing this, not to comment on this election, but rather to comment on the ridiculous amount of politics that is destroying our beloved breed, faster than we realise.
I assume that those “in power” are far to arrogant to read this chatboard, but oh how I wish they would. They could still turn things around themselves and remain “in power”.
There is so much that can be done to start fixing health problems and genetic disease. I do not understand why people cannot get passed the politics; I don’t really understand the politics anyway, we’re talking about a dog here.
Political agendas alone have contributed so much to the downfall of the breed. There are a few failed attempts at creating an “official opposition”, but they have failed. Dobermann Insider is all very well and I applaud his efforts at exposing things. However, writing about something is not the same as doing something about it. Many people comment on the Insider blog, but nothing is being done. How can this changed? What can we do as “ordinary” breeders and owners to protect the breed? How can we go forward? How can we get a consensus across countries? There NEED to be strict breeding rules in place, there is no doubt about it, but if everyone feels “oppressed” by rules then we will get no where. Ethical breeding is needed, honesty and NO politics are the only way forward. How?

2014-02-16 17:12, IP: 84.102.23.204, from France 55 positive reactions 9 negative
For Italy :

Godart is the only guy that you should not elect president !

For him, a single breeding " du reflet des songes ", HIS breeding, is good at France, the other breedings are for him some shit !

His only posted purpose, to destroy the breeding "Of Devil Inside"

Threats, intimidations, insults, do you think that it deserves a president of Club ?

DUGARDIN Laurent
Ex committee member of DCF

2014-02-16 16:34, IP: 87.8.69.99, from Italy 2 positive reactions 0 negative
there is a huge numbers of links on the links page that doesn't exist anymore

2014-02-16 16:27, IP: 87.8.69.99, from Italy 7 positive reactions 0 negative
why Laurent?
please explain it!

2014-02-16 08:35, IP: 84.102.23.204, from France 60 positive reactions 7 negative
Today is a very bad day for the Dobermann in France !

Jean Paul Godart elected as president of French Club, the worst things that he can arrive for the French Doberman !!!

French Club is dead !

Lively the mafia !

DUGARDIN Laurent

2014-02-13 21:06, IP: 87.184.24.241, from Germany 4 positive reactions 0 negative
Guten Abend liebe Dobermannfreunde!!!

Darf in Slowenien noch kupiert werden?

2014-02-13 19:36, IP: 94.189.175.220, from Serbia 15 positive reactions 1 negative
gledam slike stenaca i ne mogu da verujem ......vecina odgajivaca i u Srbiji ali i inostranstvu ostavlja klempave i repate pse....sta reci nego poltroni i plasljive slihtare.....sramota ko drzi dobermane danas.....i treba rasa da nestane kad su takvi odgajivaci...nije ni cudo sto nemci sve izguraju sto zamisle kad su odgajivaci takvi kakvi su....sitne interesdzije i slihtare....

2014-02-10 15:13, IP: 84.179.69.232, from Germany 14 positive reactions 1 negative
Or let the owner give you the date of the ZTP and where he did it. You can look here (only from 2010) - http://dobermann.de/index.php/ergebnisse, click on Zuchttauglichkeitsprüfungen. There are all the results of ZTP's done all over the world, by date and place. When you click on the specific link it will show you all dogs entered and results. If he won't send you a copy of the result then I think you can assume that it is not real. There would be no reason for him not to send it if he says the dog has it.

2014-02-10 13:24, IP: 213.23.84.218, from Germany 8 positive reactions 0 negative
let the owner send you a copy of the ztp result. it is just as easy as that. you can try to ask at the dv but i dont think that they have a data base. why i assume this is because whenever you take part at a ztp in germany with a foreign dog, they want copies of parents hd results and ztp. they dont seem to have a computer program where they save up the results and they can look it up.

2014-02-10 10:08, IP: 79.16.67.34, from Italy 1 positive reactions 0 negative
how I can see if a dog have pased the ztp? his owner say yes, other people no. Can I ask it at the DV?
They have copies of it?

2014-02-09 12:12, IP: 95.76.206.187, from Romania 4 positive reactions 6 negative
Serbian , will be a pleasure to know a Serbian with courage as in past when I was only a young boy , I knowed a Serbian from Timisoara named Matici Radivoi , which put his power near myself and we was invincible for years in face of ill cohortes !
Don't hesitate to contact me !

W.A.

2014-02-09 12:06, IP: 95.76.206.187, from Romania 2 positive reactions 4 negative
And NEVER this system which maybe will kill my few dogs , BUT never defended us and will do not defend us because I NEVER ACCEPTED AND NEVER I WILL ACCEPT HIM !

2014-02-09 12:00, IP: 95.76.206.187, from Romania 1 positive reactions 5 negative
UK 78.129.148.101 you are a shit without courage hided by " Hide My Ass! Free proxy "
Simply search your IP with google to see this person lasity .

I am real , I am proud by my bloodline which was a great bloodline , and my dogs are real too.

W.A.

2014-02-09 11:07, IP: 94.189.175.220, from Serbia 13 positive reactions 1 negative
prijatelju iz Rumunije....nisam odgajivac i sa odgajivacima u Srbiji nista ne moze da se uradi...vecina su plasljivi politicari i dupeuvlakaci...oni koji imaju muda da nesto urade su isuvise mali da bi bilo sta menjali,a svi koji su jaci odgajivaci gledaju samo svoj interes...kazem bitno im je da nameste izlozbu da bi na te namestene rezultate prodavali svoje lose pse i jos losije stence....i da se uvuku u dupe nemcima i pezanu da bi eventualno prosli na nekoj jacoj izlozbi(opet sa losim psima) i opet zbog nekog pehara da bi njihove fabrike dobermana zaradile sto vise.....moje misljenje je da takve ljude (kao sto su jaci odgajivaci u Srbiji a svi znamo koji su to) ne treba uvlaciti u novu pricu jer ce da upropaste sve...oni su podigli svoje fabrike pasa(to nisu odgajivacnice) na namestanjima i spletkama....truli su i pokvareni i sa takvim govnima ne treba saradjivati....jer ce i od novog kluba napraviti isto sto je i idc sada....treba ukljuciti prave ljubitelje rase a to su pravi odgajivaci i vlasnici...kojih ima mnogo i koji stvarno vole ovu rasu u izumiranju a upravo izumire zbog tih fabrika pasa,BEHTA,PEZANA,I OSTALIH POLITICARA I NAMESTACA IZLOZBI I UBICA RASE..... JA IMAM MUDA DA DIREKTNO NAPADNEM NEMCE I SVE TE FABRIKE DOBERMANA....JAVNO ALI IZGLEDA DA SAM USAMLJEN U TOME....MNOGO JE PICAKA U RASI....

2014-02-09 09:25, IP: 78.129.148.101, from UK 4 positive reactions 3 negative
valencia = weinberge avatar = mobil phone 213.233.85.88 = 95.76.206.187 = catastrofic breeder = internetic breeder

2014-02-09 09:25, IP: 78.129.148.101, from UK 3 positive reactions 6 negative
Rip Maxim

2014-02-09 07:47, IP: 213.233.85.88, from Romania 2 positive reactions 3 negative
You have courage friend Serbian . Who are you because I do not know any Serbian capable to rise with true  against the system ?

Yes ,  and we still can create a real Club , not a phantom leaded by fear . It is our constitutional right to associate free without fear and without the order words  "we must to take care "  which becomed the emblem of WDB !
We can promote FREEDOM in breeding , equality for dogs and breeders , respect for all world bloodlines ,  new ZTP rules , beautiful shows where all are winners not vanitouse rings  of death .

Think to that !

2014-02-09 00:18, IP: 94.189.175.220, from Serbia 11 positive reactions 2 negative
a sto se tice promena u rasi....necete uraditi nista....zato sto ne mozete da uradite nista...odgajivaci su picke koje ne smeju da se suprotstave nemcima i to je to...standard se menja...rasa nestaje a vi i dalje serite po internetu umesto da pravite paralelan klub sa idc-om i da se forsiraju kupirani psi....za pet godina bi idc nestao sa svojim klempavim i repatim psima(to nisu dobermani)...PONAVLJAM-JEDINO RESENJE JE PARALELAN INTERNACIONALNI KLUB(NE INTERNET SRANJE TIPA WDB)...PRAVI KLUB I DA SE LOBIRAJU LJUDI DA DODJU U TAJ KLUB...PONAVLJAM SAMO TAKO NESTO MOZE DA SE URADI...DA SE UDJE U OTVORENI RAT SA NEMCIMA ZA RASU...TO STO JE RASA MATICNO NEMACKA...NISTA NE ZNACI...ONI SU RESILI DA JE UPROPASTE ZABRANOM KUPIRANJA I SVOJOM POLITIKOM I NAMESTANJIMA NA IDC-U ZA SVOJE I PEZANOVE PSE....PROBUDITE SE I PRAVITE KLUB I IGNORISITE IDC I NEMCE...TO JE JEDINI NACIN...UVEK CE BITI ZEMALJA KOJE CE DOZVOLJAVATI KUPIRANE PSE....A POSLE RADITE NA POBOLJSANJU SVEGA OSTALOG STO SU NOVOKOMPONOVANI ODGAJIVACI(FABRIKE PASA),MARKETING FIRME UPROPASTILE U RASI.....ZNA SE KOJE SU TO FIRME ...IMA IH DOSTA I U SRBIJI...ALI I U ITALIJI,RUSIJI,UKRAJNI,MADJARSKOJ...NJIH TAKODJE TREBA UGASITI I ZABRANITI VISE TREND NAMESTANJA IZLOZBI ZBOG REKLAME ZA PRODAJU PASA U TIM FABRIKAMA DOBERMANA...PREPOZNACE SE ONI SAMI KOJI SU.....

2014-02-08 22:44, IP: 95.76.206.187, from Romania 0 positive reactions 1 negative
They make a change !
A GREAT DANE MONSTER FULLY BY SKIN AND ILNESSES , WITH BIG TAILLLLL AND BIGGG EARS AS AIRPLANES PROHIBITED TO PARTICIPATE TO TRAINED ZTP !
THIS IS THE CHANGE OF GENIALS !
I LOSTED MY PATIENCE WITH THEM ! DO YOU ?
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2014-02-08 21:34, IP: 79.205.194.85, from Germany 0 positive reactions 0 negative

Congratulations bulgaria ! You are the first who understood the problem. We have zero genetical diversity. The genetic is f*** ed up. No use to cry about the past, no use to blame someone. We need to stop it NOW and make a change !

2014-02-08 22:41, IP: 95.76.206.187, from Romania 1 positive reactions 1 negative
Good Bulgaria, you offer a little genetic lesson to ignorants !
It is true, we can talk now about a GENERAL RECESIVE ILNESSES GENEPOOL which tend to become DOMINANT . Little and MINIMAL GENETIC , GENIALS !

P.S. How the genials solved the problem on IDC ? They are so smart to stop ZTP Starter and to eliminate 80% from dobermanns from selection !
Fortunately except Germany , the pedigeees still are not in their power !

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2014-02-08 21:15, IP: 46.249.82.6, from Bulgaria 1 positive reactions 0 negative

Regardless of which dogs you base the foundation of your breeding program on, without diversity problems will eventually arise in the long term. With inbreeding, over time recessive genes become dominant which can lead to an increase in genetic problems, even if the founding dogs were healthy and long lived themselves.

2014-02-08 21:47, IP: 46.249.82.50, from Bulgaria 2 positive reactions 1 negative
Livestock breeders have known this for ages, the pedigree dog world just refuses to acknowledge the facts. Anyone with even a limited knowledge of genetics should be well aware of this. Or even basic knowledge of history - look at what the human inbreeding led to in the royal families.

2014-02-08 21:34, IP: 79.205.194.85, from Germany 5 positive reactions 1 negative
Congratulations bulgaria ! You are the first who understood the problem. We have zero genetical diversity. The genetic is f*** ed up. No use to cry about the past, no use to blame someone. We need to stop it NOW and make a change !

2014-02-08 21:15, IP: 46.249.82.6, from Bulgaria 7 positive reactions 1 negative
Regardless of which dogs you base the foundation of your breeding program on, without diversity problems will eventually arise in the long term. With inbreeding, over time recessive genes become dominant which can lead to an increase in genetic problems, even if the founding dogs were healthy and long lived themselves.

2014-02-08 20:11, IP: 75.23.184.186, from USA 11 positive reactions 0 negative
Ali..Baron Bryan
There is a breeder in California that has stayed true to the Western European blood lines.
Imported a Ali daughter and used Baron Bryan twice with other well known Western European
blood lines. All their blood lines go back to these two great Dobermanns. They health test in an honest manner
crop/dock and know how to export world wide. The most important thing about these people is that they
only breed once a year. They know how to protect the breed. Do you????

2014-02-08 16:21, IP: 94.189.175.220, from Serbia 8 positive reactions 2 negative
da se razumemo...nemacki odgoj je uvek bio los...sve sto je vredelo u nemackoj su bili holandski psi...uvek ste imali krs i sada ga imate...moj primer je bio samo to da mogu psi da budu vrhunski eksterijerni i radni primerci....usrali ste rasu i to je to...sa politickim parenjima....i politikom dv-a i pezana i ostalih....sta je ztp...sranje za ***ske pse...koliko plasljivih,ujedljivih ...itd pasa ima v1a...koliko pasa sa 75-76cm ima v1a...da manje teoretisete a vise radita na sklanjanju politicara i fabrika dobermana...mozda bi se i nesto desilo bolje,zasto nervozno agresivni urbano ima toliko parenja,ili plasljivi fedor ili maxim koji daje lose kukove....zato sto se pari samo sa izreklamiranim losim primercima u vlasnistvu odgajivaca koji su na glasu...politika i pare....kao sto rekoh....samo serete po internetu a niko nema muda da pokrene bilo sta pametno da bi nesto krenulo na bolje...I NARAVNO DA PISEM NA SVOM JEZIKU.....

2014-02-08 16:02, IP: 79.205.194.85, from Germany 5 positive reactions 3 negative
Dear serbian friend ! I know both dogs in person and live ! Both Ali v. Langenhorst and also Baron Bryan. Both dogs amazing regarding look and character. But my friend from Serbia it seems you did not see the working dobermanns in germany lately. The working dogs in germany today are so far away regarding looks from ali and baron bryan like the eifel tower is far away from belgrad ! Neither do i like huge oversized dogs but a female for me must be over 30kg and a male over 40kg. A dobermann is not a mallinois. The evolution just did not stop regarding look but it goes backwards. For a working breeder its a shame if their male gets ztp v1a and not sg1a. Because they think only ugly dogs can bite. 30 years ago we would not have breeded with females who get at ztp a G1A !

2014-02-08 15:30, IP: 78.129.148.101, from UK 1 positive reactions 1 negative
I've found this litter with Ali ... and Baron inside.

http://www.working-dog.eu/breed/vom-Heidhauser-Forst-28154?gen_line=9&gen_ik=5&gen_avk=5#

This litter is very interesting and promising.

 

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