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The problem is commercial Dobermann breeders and dog brokers producing
5-10 litters a year. Same bitches and same sires.
1Jan15 is starting to look better and better all the time.
Several weeks ago I offered my time and money to get WDB going
In a effort to spark interest to others. Same old shit-just a different day.
Where is the problem? The problem is that people only bla bla bla and do nothing.
Who is the DV or IDC?
I'm not afraid of DV or IDC.
Where should WE start?
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This is Bull Shit and you are up to your knees in it.
DV was requiring far more health testing then they stopped.
Why, because they only care about what is going on now and not tomorrow.
They wanted to hide the fact that the Dobermann is a sick breed.
If you have not had health problems in your dogs, chances are that you will.
We all will.
This is not the DV or IDC blame.
The breeders have a responsibility.
Most breeders use more dogs with Championtitles as with health.
What I have from a beautiful head and the dog dies at the age of 4 ?
You are correct because the health state of the Dobermann breed is in
poor condition. This is not going to improve due to over breeding, faking
of health tests results and GREED. Poor health is a plague that is going to
spread and eventually affect every dog. The Golden age of the Dobermann
has passed. Don't look to DV or IDC or WDB for help. It's not coming.
this is the best joke which I ever heard ! This guy want to remove entire DR advertising list !
is it possible to remove or mark all the dead Males in the Males presentation list ? It is really annoying that you can't see which dog is alive and which not.
I wonder how the registering body will know if the dogs used for breeding are cropped or docked?
I know there is the breed warden in Germany who comes to see, but in most other countries I think this is not the case...anyway, that is really cutting off your nose to spite your face, in fact very shortsighted and downright stupid!
Why on earth would you completely disregard even 1% of an already tiny gene pool by excluding these dogs. By all means exclude other dogs with actual faults that are detrimental to the future of the breed. Make rulings like the HD rules, that for example only vWD clear can be bred to vWD carrier, or compulsory eye test for breeding, something that actually matters. I am really saddened by this craziness.
So, new post on DI.
One thing posted up there which is news to me is along with the C/D ban effective 1/1/15 it states that you are not able to breed from or register puppies from dogs cropped after this date. This can't be correct, how does C/D change the genetic potential of an animal!?
England has a ban on docking yet we are still allowed to show docked dogs if docked legally, the laws in the countries which allow cropping are not going to change so all of these docked dogs will still be able to show in the UK as we are not part of the FCI. funny how things changed. :(
Now we all do ZTP tests for years, decades, yet the breed is not healthy. And is not improving. ZTP is no guarantee for health. Pathetic old man.
That you did in IDC congress ?
I do NOTHING understood which are the measures to improve race healt .
1)He talk about STARTER ZTP . STARTER ? But the rest of dobermanns have no FULL selection right ?
2)ANY pure dobermann have BORNED right to have PEDIGREE and to participate to a FREE SELECTION ! How many dobermanns have German ZTP ?
This MAN THINK still think that he can avoid 80% of dobermann population ?
Can somebody still think that dobermann can be reproduced only by TREND Breeders ?
Not more than today the internet is fully by RIP after last World Champion dobermann !
It is not sufficient what happened after 15 years of ill domination when dobermann breed losted all different bloodlines till total disparition ?
Is not sufficient that any today dobermann have only 2-3% genetical diversity from total number of ancestors ( in 14 generations, from 32766 ANCESTORS , ONLY 850 ARE DIFFERENT !!)
How many othergenetical resources have dobermann breed to talk so easy about ZTP limitation ?
3)How many other genetical resources have dobermann breed to talk so easy about tail /ears docked/croped interdiction ? Is wellknowed that the impact of this political and false protection measure will be a huge blow in already reduced race genepool !
------------------from IDC congress :
"Inseparable from that are the required Breed controls and the uniform appraisal of documentation and assessments. Only in this way can a healthy Dobermann be assured in the long term. In this regard the ZTP tests have established themselves as precursors and in many IDC membercountries they already constitute a fixed componentof Dobermann breeding. For this reason as from01.01.2014, the Starter ZTP will only find application in countries which have joined the IDC recently and then only for a limited period."
announced and coming Breed Standard modification for uncropped earsand undocked tails, Mr. Wiblishauser informed the Congress that the Dobermann Breed Standard will be changed accordingly as from 01.01.2015. This will affect thereafter also exhibitions with corresponding national requirements. "
Serbians, how long we must to say premature RIP about your dogs and about our dogs ?
Sad to hear about Maxim...
Couse of death?
Purgay has lost the key of his Porsche ;-)
Sad to hear about Maxim - RIP beautiful boy
What about the fact that Purgaj's holter report comments don't seem to match up with the numbers on the analysis? Plenty of PVCs, couplets, triplets, runs, etc. and yet in the comments it says only 8 VPCs, no runs, no couplets, no triplets?
PREPARING FOR ZTP .....
That words , present all around , explain ALL what happen in dobermann breed and why ZTP is a training test and not a selection test !
And still free from ZTP Purgajs Porsche di Altobello - free of Gino , Nitro , Urbano , Fedor !
PREPARING FOR ZTP more than 6 years old and have been with good trainers ? What's the problems when he have BH and IPO 1?
Genials , you must to Thank to GOD that here exist Gino, Nitro, Urbano and Fedor because they are unique which carry the right different genes of basical right bloodlines !
Do you joke with us or you think that all of us are stuipid ?
Fully by Tamerlan Slavnoy , Quirinus via Gamon , Renewal via Baron Nike same father of Fedor ,
125 OLIVE OF BAMBY'S PRIDE ,314 ODIN , 188 CHICO V. FORELL ,12 HERTOG ALPHA V LE DOBRY ,45 DON DAYAN V FRANCKENHORST ,13 VIVRE VIVIEN V FRANCKENHORST.
This is your alternative ? Exactly the lines which we must to avoid ?
2014-02-02 08:11, IP: 18.104.22.168, from Germany 1 positive reactions 0 negative
Purgajs Porsche di Altobello - free of Gino , Nitro , Urbano , Fedor !
Purgajs Porsche di Altobello - free of Gino , Nitro , Urbano , Fedor !
Who are you Germany ? :-)
Maybe we will talk more . I'm Weinberge Avatar. You cand find me if you want and we maybe we will change something !
Bravo Germany ! In this mode we protect entire genepool and to avoid domination and political movements ! The target is to improve every dobermann generation and your proposal did that !
Bravo again , is a very good system !
Now..we must to open how numerouse eyes is possible and broken the gates :-)
2014-02-01 12:22, IP: 22.214.171.124, from Germany 2 positive reactions 0 negative
the ztp needs to be changed. this is a fact. i propose to use the system which was used in east germany (DDR). we need a point system. dogs cannot fail ztp as first, but they get 10 breeding value points. the sum of breeding points between two partners needs to be at least 10. so you can mate two dogs with 5 and 5 points, or 2 and 8 points or 3 and 7 for example to each other as a minimum breeding value. of course we need to restrict the matings which a male is allowed to do per year in order to open up the genetical pool. this is a true solution, a solution which is used by many other breed clubs.
Every dog have good and bad points . Every dog .
The ZTP must be NORMAL and SIMPLY , FREE for all persons , from Breeders till every dobermermann owner .
A dobermann must to pass the ZTP how long he is normal on head and correct in conformation .
We no need more genepool limitation ,no more monopol , no more politicianists, no more domination of ill showlines .
The ideea to introduce a point system is good . ZTP and shows must be for EVALUATION not do DESTROY bloodlines as happened till nothing remained !
But principal , ZTP must be NOT TRAINED ! !!!! and to evaluate native character . We no need more falsity !
I am glad that few voices have power and courage to ask changement !
I am sorry that the new club WDB and lost the chance of changement !
I has the first which years ago I contest the system and ZTP . The changement will come , for sure.
Because the system is wrong ,against nature , the selection was wrong and what happened is only that facts reflection ! Then the changing is inevitable ! Nobody can stop that .
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