2012-04-09 07:41, IP: 46.7.77.252, from Ireland

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Michael,
it seems now, that you have recieved the wrath of the Yanks. You will need to be careful as they will do what they normally do and send in the 82nd Airborne Division to Whitby, kidnap all your TOP DOGS and covertly, under the cover of darkness, ship them to the USA and introduce them to their national POOL to improve their breed there.
Watch your step, Michael, Uncle Sam is watching YOU.

2012-04-09 04:23, IP: 75.23.184.186, from United States

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Michael:
Just how are you going to take legal action against someone
that lives in another country. Are you going to track them down
and find solicitors in their country. You are not going to do this because it is far too expensive and will not work. So let's stop the false bravado and live with the commentary.

2012-04-08 23:08, IP: 86.169.66.22, from United Kingdom

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PS No F k r fights my corners ,
Do I make myself CLEAR
michael
www.mikjuloradobermanns.com
e.mail mikjulora@btinternet.com
home 0044 1947603877
mobile 07950508281

2012-04-08 22:26, IP: 86.169.66.22, from United Kingdom

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Ref MIKJULORA DOBERMANNS

I have read all the comments about me and if you wish to continue to SLANDER my GOOD NAME of MIKJULORA DOBERMANNS I will take LEGAL action against you .I'm fully aware of who you are, so continue this SLANDER and you will hear from my solicitor.
Regards
Michael
www.mikjuloradobermanns.com
e.mail mikjulora@btinternet.com
home 00441947603877
mobile 07950508281

2012-04-08 22:07, IP: 46.7.77.252, from Ireland

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France. Are you really French, or, a British Ex Pat who made the move to France long before the goal posts were moved and the ear cropping Laws were changed. ????
Plenty of Property for Sale now in Yorkshire if you wish to move back with your Husband and Your Fantastic Dogs. Give me a shout, I know some excellent Auctioneers. At least that way you can "keep an eye" on your competition.??/

2012-04-07 20:06, IP: 79.40.13.70, from Italy

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where is written??
why??


2012-04-07 10:34 • IP: 79.206.83.211 • from Germany
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all ZTP done in 2012 under Mr. Becht will not be recognizd...thats the start of the end of arogant man...

2012-04-07 11:34, IP: 82.4.214.239, from United Kingdom

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REF Mikjulora dobermanns,,It makes me laugh how one faceless nameless person can say what he wants about a person and is kennel that has been running for many years breeding great european imported pups and improving the breed in the UK,i work with 3 dogs that michael has breed in my Belfast k9 club and they are super dogs,not only at work but 2 of them are show winners and 1 an irish champion,ask the people that got pups from michael and see what they say,Everyone has there own idea on breeding and michaels breeding policy is up to him,if you dont like him breeding lines then dont buy a pup from him,simple!!!! As for rehoming his dogs im sure michael will help as best he can but he cant take back all dogs i.e 2 european males cant live together,they will kill each other.When you get a pup its for life,if it doesnt work out for any reason you cant just return it,its not a tv you can just return and walk away,its your responsibility to fing a new loving home for your pup as you will know your pup the best and the kind of home he or she needs.Dont blame the breeder for not letting you walk away from
your responsibility.My advise to anyone reading this is to phone michael hes a decent man and will answer any questions you may have BUT if you hide behind a key board he will treat you with the contempt you deserve, drew,, bellevue doberman kennel belfast

2012-04-07 10:37, IP: 79.206.83.211, from Germany

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He is the owner and breeder of Vom Klingbach Kennel.

These are some shows personally judged by Herr Thomas Becht. Please see the highlighted results -

Europasieger 2009/05/02, Dortmund, Germany –
SG 1 Europa-Siegerin - Naemi v. Klingbach



CAC Stuttgart, 2009/09/13, Germany -
Vg.1, Jugendsieger - NORBERT v. Klingbach
Baby class: Vp.1 - STELLA v. Klingbach
Intermediate class: Exc.1, CAC, BOB - NAEMI v. Klingbach


CACIB Nazrnberg, Germany 17/01/2010 -
Puppy class: Vp.1 - STELLA v. Klingbach
Intermediate class: Exc.1, CAC, CACIB - NAEMI v. Klingbach


AC Stuttgart, Germany 13/06/2010 -
CACs awarded to : Norbert Vom Klingbach, Iron Vom Klingbach, Quida Vom Klingbach
Jugendsiegerin - Stella Vom Klingbach

Landessieger Wuerttemberg, Germany 03/10/2010 -
EX1, CAC, BOB, LANDESSIEGER - Naemi Vom Klingbach

CACIB Nurnberg, Germany 07/01/2010 -
Vp.1 - STELLA v. KlingbachExc.1, CAC, CACIB - NAEMI v. Klingbach


DV SIEGERSSCHAU, ALTONA, GERMANY 20/06/2010
Vg.1, DV JUGENDSIEGERIN - STELLA v. Klingbach
Exc.1, CAC, DV SIEGERIN - NAEMI v. Klingbach
CAC Wuerttemberg, Germany 03/10/2010-
CAC, SIEGER, BOB - Naemi Vom Klingbach
JUGENDSIEGER - Stella vom Klingbach

BUNDESSIEGER SHOW, DORTMUND, GERMANY 15/10/2011
Exc.1, CAC, CACIB, BUNDESSIEGERIN, BOB - STELLA v. Klingbach

CACIB Munich, Germany 20/03/2011
Exc.1, CAC, CACIB, BOB - STELLA v. Klingbach

CACIB Ludwigshafen, Germany 06/08/2011
SG1, Jugend Ch. - Varus vom Klingbach




SG1, Jugend Ch. - Wallburga vom Klingbach



V1, CAC, CACIB, BOB - Stella vom Klingbach



GRAND PRIX DOBERMANN, SLOVAKIA, 24/07/2011




Exc.1, CAC, CLUB WINNER 2011, BOS - STELLA v. Klingbach


There is not much left to say is there? ...........



Except the FCI Regulations do state clearly-
A judge cannot judge any dog that he has either owned, co-owned, conditioned, kept or sold in the six months preceding the show where he is officiating. The same applies to dogs owned by a partner, a member of his immediate family or any person living with him in his household.

2012-04-07 10:34, IP: 79.206.83.211, from Germany

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all ZTP done in 2012 under Mr. Becht will not be recognizd...thats the start of the end of arogant man...

2012-04-07 08:14, IP: 79.40.13.70, from Italy

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wow
v Nemesis!!!
This is genetical suicide!!!!
Good job!

Wir erwarten im Mai 2012 Welpen aus folgender Verbindung!

Alé Alamos del Citone x Novalis von Nemesis

2012-04-05 21:01, IP: 83.115.7.47, from France

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2012-04-05 14:02 • IP: 80.4.206.117 • from United Kingdom
2012-04-05 01:34 • IP: 81.103.140.103 • from United Kingdom

So funny LOL!!

2012-04-05 14:20, IP: 92.26.22.17, from United Kingdom

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problem with written agreements , there not worth the paper there written on unless endorsed by a solicitor

2012-04-05 14:02, IP: 80.4.206.117, from United Kingdom

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Who are you france to say who should breed , or not , some high and might big ex pat breeder ? he already said he tries to help re-home .

Much better a dog goes to a private home than back to a breeder than a kennel which normally houses too much dogs anyway , with males and females ready to kill each other , and sometimes the breeder has so many dogs they don't know who mated who .

Look at your own breeding antics before you quickly slander others ,

Big and small breeders all make shit whoever you are , do not try to belittle others with jealosy and big gobs
Rob

2012-04-05 01:34, IP: 81.103.140.103, from United Kingdom

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"Im sorry but you are an idiot who knows nothing, a dog is for life but unfortunately sometimes peoples circumstances change due to Death Divorce made homeless ect. & they find they cannot keep there dog anymore, when you breed a puppy they are your responsibility & in answer to your question all my dogs are sold with a contract that states at any age of the dogs life you find you cannot keep him he will be returned to me, i do not want my dogs going into rescue, in 30 years i have only had to do this twice due to divorce, go read your post again and see how rediculous you sound !!!! If Mikjulora Dobermanns wants any credability in the Dobermann world he should stop idiots like you fighting his corner, your not doing him any favours !!"

You're quite the keyboard warrior!! I'm glad your crack legal team has been able to tie everyone who has ever bought a puppy from you into a cast-iron watertight contract!!! Presumably due to your stringent vetting and regular check-ins with all of these owners for the duration of the dog's life, no-one has ever rehomed / sold on a dog of your breeding without your knowledge? Perhaps your crack legal team would pursue them through the courts and have ownership of the dog awarded to you under these circumstances?

The person who mentioned rescue was, in fact, "Fleet Hampshire" who insinuated that rescue people do not find Michael too favourable due to him allegedly not accepting dogs back when an owner can no longer keep or no longer wants them. Do either of you have any evidence or specific examples, or indeed anyone willing to put their name to a statement from Dobermann Rescue outlining the reasons for Michael's lack of credibility with them? I think you already know the answer to that. Once again I repeat that Michael will help to place any dog that someone either cannot keep due to change of circumstances or indeed simply no longer wants, in a suitable home.

Branding me as an idiot who knows nothing is a bit of a gamble there don't you think? You know nothing about me, my credentials and history within the breed, how I handle rehoming cases etc. It speaks volumes that you are willing to brand me as an idiot and advise me to read my post again when you clearly either didn't read your own words before posting or perhaps require a proof reader to ensure proper use of sentences, punctuation, abbreviation, capital letters and spelling. ("Im" should be "I'm", "ect." should be "etc." "there dog" should be "their dog", "i" should be "I", "rediculous" should be "ridiculous", "credability" should be "credibility", "your not" should be "you're not" - up until "rediculous you sound!!!!" is all a single sentence, you really should come up for air occasionally.)

Of course we're not here for an English lesson, the question is more about whether it is appropriate to attempt to destroy the credibility of Mikjulora Dobermanns without any substantiation. I could make up any old rumour about your kennel, breeding practices, rehoming policies etc. and post these here if I had any idea of your identity (which, of course, I do not). That would be just plain wrong, so if anyone can substantiate these claims about Mikjulora then go ahead and provide evidence and put your name to it, otherwise you merely underline the comments posted below regarding getting FACTS straight before posting.

2012-04-04 23:08, IP: 83.115.135.176, from France

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2012-04-04 11:33 • IP: 81.103.140.103 • from United Kingdom
To the person who believes it is the breeder's responsibility to take the dog back at any age or else "don't breed", surely it is the responsibility of the dog owner to be prepared to give the dog a home for life and not consider it the breeder's responsibility that when you get sick of the dog to provide a ready dumping ground? I presume your own credentials in this area are impeccable and that you will accept any dog back at any age under any circumstances? Hardly promoting responsible dog ownership.

Im sorry but you are an idiot who knows nothing, a dog is for life but unfortunately sometimes peoples circumstances change due to Death Divorce made homeless ect. & they find they cannot keep there dog anymore, when you breed a puppy they are your responsibility & in answer to your question all my dogs are sold with a contract that states at any age of the dogs life you find you cannot keep him he will be returned to me, i do not want my dogs going into rescue, in 30 years i have only had to do this twice due to divorce, go read your post again and see how rediculous you sound !!!! If Mikjulora Dobermanns wants any credability in the Dobermann world he should stop idiots like you fighting his corner, your not doing him any favours !!

2012-04-04 11:33, IP: 81.103.140.103, from United Kingdom

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To "Fleet, Hampshire" ref Mikjulora Dobermanns. It is obvious that either you don't know Michael personally, or you have another agenda. Do you? Are you a failed prospective owner of a Mikjulora puppy perhaps?

Michael takes great pride in his dobermanns and breeding program - line breeding is commonplace amongst all breeders and indeed breeds! He applies a strict vetting policy to all potential owners, however upon occasion as any breeder will know, people's circumstances change and rehoming becomes necessary. Michael will help rehome any dog there can be no question about that.

Your comment regarding Michael's reputation among "rescue people" is not backed with any evidence, do you have any? Perhaps you are unaware of the fact that Michael's dogs all live in the home as family pets - there is no "kennel" as such and this makes it highly impractical to attempt to integrate what amounts to a strange dog when someone decides it is no longer wanted. That is not to say that Michael will not help to rehome, I know he has had to do this in the past and have no doubt he will continue to do so but to publicly state that his reputation among the rescue people is questionable amounts to nothing short of libel.

To the person who believes it is the breeder's responsibility to take the dog back at any age or else "don't breed", surely it is the responsibility of the dog owner to be prepared to give the dog a home for life and not consider it the breeder's responsibility that when you get sick of the dog to provide a ready dumping ground? I presume your own credentials in this area are impeccable and that you will accept any dog back at any age under any circumstances? Hardly promoting responsible dog ownership.

Perhaps it would be better for all these breeding and rehoming "experts" to cease bandwagon jumping and attempting to destroy reputations? Unless of course you're just to trying discredit the competition???

2012-04-04 04:44, IP: 67.210.97.252, from United States

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a lesson

2012-04-04 04:18, IP: 24.176.131.104, from United States

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great lines, great shows...

2012-04-03 17:41, IP: 81.103.140.103, from United Kingdom

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dobermann

2012-04-03 07:39, IP: 213.161.6.135, from Slovenia

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...in the apocalipse year

From Weinberge Avatar's

I am more seriouse than never in what I will say ! Has passed 8 years from moment when I returned in this dobermannn world. From my initial dream nothing remained except the wish to have 'my dobermann" near me all my life . And this dream do not depend and is not in power of this breeding system . The system is well described in the next blog : http://inside-dobermann.blogspot.com/ and have extensions and " officers " in all countries .under a general acceptance and dezinterest . After all that years of FACTS and EVIDENTE degradation of breed , after many swears and denigration , the miserable swears that I received yesterday from Zamolxis breeder , after I read the breeding lesson maded by persons which promoted the bloodlines maded in this system , condvinced me one more time that nothing will be change and sufficiently I lost my energy with this kind of persons. Enough to see all around the past executioners of race, now when the ship is shaky , how they transform theirself into savers!More that , I think that today don't exist genetical respurces to change or save something . I think that unfortunately dobermann breed will endure a "Apocalipse" in the next years and that nobody will escape . Is my opinion based in pedigree studies and in genetical calculations which clar said that responsable bloodlines are in mathematical progresive increasing (becaue genepool bottleneck and huge inbreeding / consanguinity percentages) . Will escape only who will have acces on geneical anticorps but their level tend to zero as weight in race genetical mass . I spend much energy all that years . I hope that I contrubuted to change something in some breeders conscience. Other NOBODy can change their way and soul. I will do not lost my energy for that .Regarding my dogs ALWAYS THEY WILL BE BORNED FREE! If this system will be changed I hope will breed free under FCI and my dobermanns will have pedigrees. Sure..I have some doubts because the total GENOCIDE was happened here, under a general silance, inaction and acceptance .Otherwhise I will continue to breed my bloodline , with love and under respect of FIRST NATURAL LAW : NATURAL INSTINCTS , LIFE , CHARACTER .Already I announced that I will do not continue to breed that bloodlines responsable by deep sorrow in dobermann breed. I can't save my bloodline in this mode !For moment I have my "modern" Avatar's and few descendants of a last and old Romanian female which has power to born few pupies at old age (and I thanks to COR and my Kennel Club friends because their help), I will continue to pure breed my dobermanns how long will be possible , I will try to keep my dobermanns purity how much I will can but , if will needed ,I am ready to their life and breed/mixed them with another race. I am ready to COMPLETTLYT RENOUNCE TO ALL WHAT MEAN "CHINOLOGY . Then ,I decided to remain happy near my dogs and preserve and spend my energy in other direction . I like fotos , I like nature, I love any animals . I sense that I need to calm down my soul and look to another horizont and left this HELL and the HELL which will come , because is verry possible to come .I will never accept to be a slave in this passion .I will never accept to be a looser,this system NEVER will defeat my love for my bloodline and my spirit .I am constient that my gesture mean a huge blow and a lesson as great Furstenfeld breeder, alone and excluded (because represent a barrier against system which started to be borned) , but he NEVER renounced till the fine of his life . In this mode he remain INVINCIBLE and his gesture is now a model . Before to be a slave in this passion and my dobermanns to be borned as slaves , I preffer to do (simbolycal) what El Zorab did when he lost his beloved horse .Probable you know what did El Zorab . .

2012-04-02 19:53, IP: 24.142.180.238, from United States

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2012-03-29 09:34 • IP: 115.134.111.41 • from Malaysia
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To American amateur breeder-
Why dont explain why you are waiting for longer? If you are so nervous and unsure of breeding, then why even attempt it? If you are confident you will have a litter which betters the parents, why not try immediately?

I am not nervous about anything, Iwas just trying to get informationfrom qualififed breeders on what the consesus of a good breeding age is? I used the forum and chatboards on what they were designed for anfd that is USEFUL information. I do not pretend to know everything about Dobermanns even though I have owned for over 30 years. I have never bred them and want to have the best possible litter I can. I am not doing this for a living, so I do not need to breed them as soon as I can, which I still think is wrong to do, especially if you read this site. Also, mt dogs are 100% pure Euro and from what I think is as good as it gets in their pediogree. I will not bother to sat what that is becuase it will just start anopther negative barrage of comments. I was just looking for some good information, which this site seems to no longer provide. Most just want to get on here and talk negative about others and their dogs. This is why I left in the first place. Thanks for any who want to provide some help.

bmgillespie

2012-04-01 21:58, IP: 83.115.9.176, from France

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If you breed dogs its your responsibility to take them back at any age, if you are not prepared to do this dont breed !!!!!!!!!!

2012-04-01 21:26, IP: 109.92.240.220, from Serbia

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I read comment from FLEET,HAMPSHIRE about MIKJULORA DOBERMANNS.
Firstly all breeders in breed,out breed,line breed.
You make comments about Mikjulora ? are you a breeder? if so whats your breeding policy giving you the right to CALL this breeder?
 I have had dogs from this breeder and he as been second to none on his help and advice.

You call this breeder about his rehoming policy?
Have you had a dog from him that needs rehoming ?
If not what gives you the right SECOND HAND  to call him when you only go on typical english gossip!

You make comment of not been NASTY  but you are damaging this mans reputation of which is a TRUE  lover of the breed and does so much for the breed behind the scenes that goes UNNOTICED.

Thank you for your comments FLEET ,HAMPSHIRE
Please get facts correct before commenting

2012-04-01 21:04, IP: 86.179.137.15, from United Kingdom

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Hi Fleet ( Hampshire )
You make comments on Mikjulora Dobermanns.
I own 2 males from this breeder and have never once had any issues with them ( by the way im registered blind )
Regards
Jane
whitby,north yorkshire

2012-04-01 19:23, IP: 82.4.214.239, from United Kingdom

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fleet hampshires post concerning mikjulora dobermanns,is a biased 1 sided mastake about 1 of the UKs leading Import Dobermann kennels,michael has owned and breed health tested dogs for 30 years and has imported from many of the leading kennels around the world,he is the most knowledgeable person ive ever met when it comes to dobermann pedigrees and hearsay doesnt really prove anything when it comes to what he may or may not have said about line breeding,
If you offer a rehoming service to people that buy your pups it gives them an easy way out if the pup becomes troublesome,all breeders offer help if there pup needs a new home but very few take a dog back if you cant be bothered looking after it anymore.I think anyone that knows Michael will consider this post unfair and will take Michael at face value..drew goodall bellevuedobermans belfast

2012-03-31 22:14, IP: 86.137.16.218, from United Kingdom

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Last year Mikjulora was trying to get the owner of a bitch sired by one of their dogs to mate her to its half brother when her anterior pedigree was already close inbred, so I would be very carefully checking the pedigree .

Ask also what is his policy on re-homing the dogs he breeds if the owner cannot keep it any longer. Rescue people are not too favourable on this man as he is not interested in taking his dogs back.

Sorry this is not being nasty, but you asked for information and that is the information. Not a breeder for me. There are better ones in the uk with much better dogs.

2012-03-29 18:04, IP: 92.8.237.204, from United Kingdom

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Optima Bene Meritus

This 5 year old female is for sale becuase her owners say Poland has now a crop/dock ban.

Surely the polish law isnt asking for breeders to re-home their adults?.

Or is it because as she has had 3 litters already, she has out lived her usefulness as a brood!!...........

2012-03-29 16:48, IP: 67.210.97.252, from United States

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Probable he want to wait and see if the future parents will reach 5 years . That is a very good thing for American genepool :-)

2012-03-29 09:34, IP: 115.134.111.41, from Malaysia

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To American amateur breeder-
Why dont explain why you are waiting for longer? If you are so nervous and unsure of breeding, then why even attempt it? If you are confident you will have a litter which betters the parents, why not try immediately?

2012-03-26 23:50, IP: 24.142.180.238, from United States

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Hello all its been awhile,
What would one consider the optimum breeding age for a male and a female? I have noticed that a lot of breeders breed their dogs way to early in terms of finding out if they are even going to be healthy themselves as we have seen a lot of dogs drop dead at an early age and already have several litters on the ground. I am currently waiting my boy and girl are both now 3 years old and I am considering waiting another year. They have both been completely health tested even the DCM test and all results and their health have been very good. They get pleanty of excercise and eat a very balanced diet. Let me hear what you think.

bmgillespie