2013-03-31 15:58, IP: 78.0.21.129, from Croatia

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To IP: 46.165.221.166
Can you tell us what are those "serious genetic illnesses passed by Wallis Niki on her progeny"?
Thanks in advance

2013-03-31 08:17, IP: 93.134.15.22, from Germany

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oh, kindergarden is open again!

2013-03-30 18:15, IP: 82.234.21.158, from France

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Thanks THC, nice to hear...

LF

2013-03-30 18:06, IP: 154.32.16.42, from UK

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Come on people this site is all about the Dobermann it should be about improving the Dobermann not all this rubbish about who hates who or who hates this dog and that dog do we not have enough problems in the breed without this rubbish if new people in Dobermanns were reading this stuff on here they would think twice about owning a Dobermann so lets all get our act together and work for the dog we all love in case you have forgotton it called the DOBERMANN.

T.H.C.

2013-03-30 17:45, IP: 82.234.21.158, from France

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LOL USA!!! now that is funny! :)

Nederland:
Yes you are right, i have zero achievement (and i'm not ironic), so i really don't understand why you take care about me, about what i do, about what i like and what i say... there are only words from young unknown guy..., why peoples would give a f*** about this??? this i really don't understand.
I don't speak about what i don't like, i don't speak about others and i don't care about them...they are free to do what they want, i have no problem with this.
And i will not get upset or spend my lifetime fighting one person that said that his own dog or the dog of his friend is the most beautifull in the world!!!...are you all seek peoples??? what's your problem, i am nobody! i believe that all of you should share this break and Kitkat with me

I am arrogant when i speak to stupids, and believe me, you have no idea about how much i can be arrogant in front of these kind of people...
Otherwise, i just speak with passion, nothing else...and with nice and respectable persons, i am totaly the contrary of an arrogant guy... i respect as much as possible all respectable peoples, few of them are like mentors for me, and i just feel like a little child when i am in front of them... do you know this feeling?

You are speaking about things that you have no idea and if you think that i am the usefull toy of money makers, then you really don't know me, as you really don't know my friends, i am loyal to my friend, but more than the rest i am loyal to the breed i love...
And if i love a dog, no matter if he is owned by my best friend or my worst ennemy, it is the same, i will love him the same.
And even if the owner is my best friend, if i don't like the dog, then i don't like and i will not speak about him.

I am out of your system, and i really don't want to be inside, i like true peoples, i am nobody (and here again, i am not ironic) and i just would like that anonymous haters forget about me or dogs i love, just the same as i have no care about their life, this is my only wish... then i will have no reason to be arrogant and to loose time in this kind of forums and chatboard.
I have no respect for peoples who shit others hidden behind a computer, few hours ago, i was on phone with Farid, it was a civilized discussion from 2 men that assume what they say, here is the way i'm used to go.

And as i told him, when you are bored of successive attacks from a small group of stupid anonymous assholes that have to much time in their life, sometimes, when you come home at 2 or 3 am, very tired, and when you see that after little break one stupid french hater come again to shit you and the dog you love, then it can happen that when you answer, you don't think about how few others that was totaly out of your mind at this moment, will get your comment...So apologizes for this, i didn't have to say it this way.
Usualy i don't like to hurt anyone that doesn't desserve it, that's why i always only speak about what i like...if i don't like i just don't say anything.

Laurent

2013-03-30 16:56, IP: 192.81.220.109, from USA

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Oh, wait, here is the photo of the Dijonese that messed with Laurent...and its Forte

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WLTfgys-szI/TbSH-UBtfrI/AAAAAAAAABE/GGMME_-XuYs/s1600/SENAPa.jpg

2013-03-30 16:52, IP: 192.81.220.109, from USA

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This is so out of line! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Laurent Forte
14 hours ago near Paris, Ile-de-France
Recherche Français résidant (ou actuellement de passage) dans la région dijonnaise..
Profile:
Aigri, jaloux, pas courageux, pensant avoir quelque chose à voir avec le Dobermann
Si quelqu'un a une idée ou une quelconque piste, merci de m'envoyer un mp :)

2013-03-30 16:29, IP: 37.153.194.171, from Netherlands

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See? This is the problem with Dobermann world today. To claim one male best or even "bestest" is clear a sign of arrogance or just plain ignorance. There is no such thing as best in dog's world. Some males are suitable for a certain females and some are less suitable or no suitable at all. This politics and aggressive marketing will narrow down breed's gene pool even more, because many less experienced breeders will hurry to mate with just a few well advertised dogs, paying no attention to their real needs, quality of their females and future objectives.
Personally I find this French young man's speech style pathetic, especially when I found out he has zero achievement in real life breeding and still he dares to evaluate dogs and in his own patrons favors of course. He seems like a little boy that got carried way and his hasty writing style does reveal some level of frustration and rage. I'd suggest him to have a break, or have a KitKat at least.
To me and I believe I am not the only one that sees that, he is just a toy used by money makers such are this girl from France and that Slovenian breeder living in Germany, having Serbian pedigrees which is, I must say, quite peculiar to say at least. Some crew they are, eh?

I salute Mr. Farid for having civilized tone in his public addressing and congrats once again on his successes in dog sport. I wish more people could use such calm typing style. Cheers.

2013-03-30 13:59, IP: 88.188.140.37, from France

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Hello, everybody.
I don't agree with Laurent about this :
"Mitto is one of the best producer in Europe and he is THE BEST FROM VERY VERY VERY FAR IN FRANCE! here is a fact!"
I live in France and I have a chance to own a widely-used producer too. Kaspij was used by breeders from 20 countries and has many champion dogs in his progeny.

Otherwise, I am very disappointed with the reaction of a guy from Dijon it would be more honest to sign his posts. But it is life...

Farid

2013-03-30 13:00, IP: 46.165.221.166, from Germany

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Hey LP (Long PLay?), cut the Walis Niki crap!!!!!!!
"Just" Wallis Niki of Tanderberg was not that special, with her terrible back line and bad croup, let alone completely straight front. And not only that but she had serious genetic issue that is now being passed to generations of her progeny, but you wouldn't know about that, would you?!

2013-03-30 02:35, IP: 82.234.21.158, from France

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And just to inform you.... super father of Mitto is my breeding in co-ownership with my friend under Jahrestal kennel... just as i did to my last litter.
And Mitto's mother is just Wallis Niki of Tanderberg...and after saying this, there is surely nothing to add... but maybe you don't know who is she....

LF

2013-03-30 01:34, IP: 82.234.21.158, from France

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to the new anonymous hater called 81.51.210.168, from France
You are really funny person.
Mitto is DCE Champion and AIAD champion... he get IPO III in Germany with high score and several peoples from DV to see it....and the helper was not the "husband" lol
Korung is one time a year in germany and everybody can see it in live or on videos (official or not)

"Good" in Luxemboug... what a joke! lol
Don't you know why there is always many peoples at Luxembourg??? because most of the time they invite multi breed judge that have no idea about what is a dobermann, and this way, everybody have a chance to win even with an ugly dog! Good politic! lol

What a fantastic performer!!!.....a medium dog that mated 2 world champions some other great females and it is not finish! ...i believe that here is your main problem lol

Mitto as a producer...now you are finishing to make me laught!!!! ...i will speak only about france since you seems to be one stupid french hater... Mitto's may took his french champion title with a RCAC at the french club show, but how many french champion did he gave last years???
What gave other last "real" french champions??? please tell me!!! lol
Mitto is one of the best producer in Europe and he is THE BEST FROM VERY VERY VERY FAR IN FRANCE! here is a fact!

No need to speak more because with all your stupid aguments, you already lost all credibility

PS: c'est facile de parler en anonyme, dis plutÃ't les choses que tu pense en face, j'espère seulement que tu n'as pas été assez stupid pour ne pas modifier ton Ip qui vient de la region de Dijon, parc'que ça va pas être compliqué de retrouver

2013-03-30 00:00, IP: 79.119.193.6, from Romania

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Every club must decide the list of veterinarians from their country accepted by them to make the Holter and EKG tests.
These tests are mandatory for the dogs to win IDC Sieger title starting with this year

2013-03-29 18:41, IP: 81.51.210.168, from France

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"Mitto is a myth"
HA-HA-HA!!!!!!!
We should say: " Mitto is a fake"
In fact, Mitto is a medium dog with not real qualiti and some faults like a clear eye, no front angulation long and not very strong head and back and not much bones for a male. So some truth about myths on Mitto:
1) Mitto's photo is 1 and only 1 in front of the "magic lake" because it is easy to photoshop it. And this photo is photoshoped
2) Mitto in beauty have very medium results: he is french champion with a resCac because a portugheshe dog who did cac before him did never pass his working test in France. If no, then mitto would never be french champion. Also, mitto have got a "good" in Luxemburg. Mitto never goes in big shows now and when he is in catalog he is absent like in Idc, Caliandro...
3) Mitto in work has an Ipo3, yes! But he is worked every day and the tests are passed on Sandrine's husband or close friends. He get korung, but any other dog would fail on that conditions: he got it to thank Sandrine for the work with a german dog on that period. Mitto caracter is good and open but not fantastic.
4) Mitto - genitor. Ha-ha! He produced nothing except a-litter jahrestal. His progeny is also long with no bones like him
Now who is Laurent Forte: he is a man who sold a defekt dog in US for a lot of
money and now he changed his kennel name. So when you have this person promoting a dog you can understand the confidence you can have with him.
Mitto is not a bad dog he is a medium dog which is not convinient to each female. With ideal form and masculine female he can be good if nothen puppy are bad. I prefer his super father, Dante or Maxim. But still Mitto is better than Highway

2013-03-29 15:18, IP: 93.152.158.123, from Bulgaria

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This is true that the clubs might never act upon it, but you have to ask the question: who caused the problem in the first place? The breeders and their decisions. The breeders are the ones producing the dogs, and so they are the ones who can fix this. Yes, it would help if the breed clubs went along with this, but it has to start at the source.

There are breeders who care about the health, but there aren't many, and most are trying single-handedly fix the breed. But it won't work that way, breeders need to take the initiative to start working TOGETHER to fix this before it's too late, instead of blaming everyone else and waiting for someone else to lead the way. Nobody is forcing breeders to holter their dogs, that is true, but nobody will stop them from doing it either.

As for your question, the answer is education: if pet owners know about the problems of the breed, and what to look for (health testing, longevity in the pedigree of the litter etc.) then they will go to the breeders who care about these things, too. The only reason breeders can keep producing DCM-heavy lines is because ignorant or stupid people keep buying them. These types of breeders and buyers might never be completely eradicated, but at least with time there will be MORE healthy lines to breed or buy from, for those of us who do give a shit and want to own a Dobermann 20 years from now.

2013-03-29 14:38, IP: 213.23.84.204, from Germany

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good idea bulgaria ! a really good idea actually ! still, as long as the club won't expell dogs of affected parents out of the breeding, the holter test remains useless !
don't get me wrong. i am not against holtering and healthtests at all. i just don't see the use to test, if dogs out of affected parents still are used in breeding. i see the breeders in ther german DCM video, crying about their stud who died of cardio. ok, really sad for them, good that they tested their dog and even better that they say honestly why he died of, but what is with his progeny ? they are still used in breeding and not expelled. the same also the silblings of this male, who carry the same genetical baggage are used in breeding and also their progeny. so you all can tell me now, how the holter result of this dog changed ANYTHING ? it changed nothing ! the genetical baggage will be carried on as long as the clubs don't expell dogs out of sick parents out of the breeding.

2013-03-28 19:03, IP: 93.152.158.123, from Bulgaria

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Dear Romania: I am not a Bulgarian, I am simply travelling through this part of Europe at the moment.

To answer your question though, for people who can't make the trip, there is always the option of buying your own holter together with your breed club (for example), and sending the results via email to the US or elsewhere, where they will read it for a fee. In the long run, this will save you costs, even if the initial cost of buying a holter is $1500. The other screening methods such as ultrasound etc. are available at your average vet clinic, and another idea would be to make these screening tests along with others, available at the big shows (where everyone spends an insane amount of time and money travelling to, anyway).

2013-03-28 18:35, IP: 199.48.147.39, from USA

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1500eur for one health test? WOW! I guess only No1 European nation can afford it, but there again - Munich is right out there.

2013-03-28 18:32, IP: 199.48.147.39, from USA

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I see there are a lot of internet experts over here, lol

2013-03-28 17:08, IP: 89.204.135.71, from Germany

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Increasing Hereditary Health Problems in the Breeding of Purebred

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/99569088/Increasing-Hereditary-Health-Problems-in-the-Breeding-of-Purebred

2013-03-28 16:57, IP: 89.204.135.71, from Germany

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Romania,
You pay the same for all big shows! You make the same way every year and not only for one show! You can check the dog on the way there!
So try to spend money the right way! For health!

2013-03-28 16:28, IP: 90.201.179.132, from UK

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hello any one wanting a top quality dobe with excellent temprement and looks you need go no further than mikjulora dobermans there dogs are fantastic the owner mike is an outstanding bloke with true knowledge and love for the breed and when i was heart broken at being scammed by VON HUNNETERRA in hungary he sorted me out with a wonderful boy boasting top bloodlines and we have not looked back so please give mikjulora a look !!!!!!

2013-03-28 13:52, IP: 93.114.43.156, from Romania

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...and by the way LAURENT married and took hubby's surname - PURGAJ :)

2013-03-28 13:49, IP: 93.114.43.156, from Romania

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130€. Very nice. Oh, and do not forget to add this too:

Travelling costs, let' say you live in Sofia, Bulgaria, so that makes like 2600 km round trip . Let's see how much that would cost.
The travel alone, provided that you drive 1300km with no sleep (lunacy) will cost you some 250-300eur, in one direction, fuel road taxes, plus 3 border crossings, so it could be around 15 hours of ride in best case. A normal person would sleep at least one night, so that would add like 50-70 eur at least, making it more like 350-400 in one direction. Equals 700-800eur for trip only. Then you have at least 3 nights in some Munich hotel, which would be easy 250eur plus food, you have to eat don't you? So, all in all average DCM OCD person will be looking at 1200-1400eur costs and that is BEFORE that 130eur special offer, or even worse in case of "greedy vet" mentioned bellow.
And don't forget, you come from the country with an average monthly salary of $400!
So, an average Bulgarian would have to work half a year just to do that holter for his dog. That means to stop eat, drink, pay the bills, and deprivation of anything for you or your family in order to save for this trip to Munich. Just to do holter??? And in order to make it right, you'd have to do it EVERY YEAR, at least. So, are you ready for this cost, or you just play smart on the internet.

I am asking you now presuming that some of you are relatively normal in a real life - does this all cardio-hype make any sense at all now?

^^

2013-03-28 11:06, IP: 213.23.84.204, from Germany

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nice marketing strategy for an examination with almost no use ! good that now they make "special offer" for 130 euro, not 300-400 euro like the other greedy vets in germany.....
the holter examination will remain as long useless untill the clubs will make it mandatory for everyone and until the day when they will start to expell the progeny of dcm positive tested dogs out of the breeding stock. until this day wont come, you can wipe your A** with your holter results. we have to make pressure on the clubs to act correctly, not on the normal owners. we have in germany a saying: " the fish starts to stink from the head downwards, not the other way around !"

2013-03-27 13:28, IP: 94.26.10.20, from Bulgaria

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Good news is the university of Munich is offering reduced prices for DCM screening: http://www.tierkardiologie.lmu.de/besitzer/dobermann_kardiomyopathie_projekt.html

The new reduced price is 130€ for ECG, ultrasound, 24 hour holter etc.
Free screening is offered for dogs affected by DCM or older than 7 years.

... However, the documentary presents nothing new. For those who don't speak German, it just lists some of the German breeders (and owners) who have lost dogs to DCM, how an owner manages her dog's DCM and low thyroid problem with a shelf full of different medications etc. It's an introduction to the disease, in other words.

The main points that are made are that Germans have been in denial of the disease's existence, saying that it is an American/non-European disease whereas the occurrence is more or less the same worldwide. It then urges breeders to screen their breeding stock, and suggests breed clubs take more responsibility in making sure such precautions are taken before dogs are bred. The university is continuing its research to find a genetic marker.

2013-03-26 08:23, IP: 93.141.62.123, from Croatia

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It would be nice to make english title on this movie so more people will know what they are talking about

2013-03-24 19:50, IP: 89.204.139.87, from Germany

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58% of dobermanns has DCM

New film! Soon in english!
Thank to people who do not keep quiet!

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=fEyO40FgguI&desktop_uri=/watch?v=fEyO40FgguI

2013-03-20 17:13, IP: 87.184.25.75, from Germany

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@Laurent Forte

YOU ARE THE BEST FROM THE DOBERMANN WORLD :-*

2013-03-11 19:35, IP: 87.5.169.132, from Italy

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http://www.thedaily.hu/changes-in-animal-welfare-laws/

thanks to the person which have posted it on FB!