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2012-02-04 09:29, IP: 67.210.97.252, from United States
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Germany , the standard changing will measn the FINISH of the ORIGINAL dobermann breed ! Qill remain a dobermannn mixed with molosoidsal blood (as some genetical researches start to confirm ) a new shit ill race names Wiblismann .
You must to actionate to stop this destruction ! The standard must put the equal sign between all the dobermanns .
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2012-02-04 08:31, IP: 213.23.84.222, from Germany
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if you outside germany are intelligent enough, you will make a revolution against DV and IDC BEFORE the standard was changed !
i think i dont have to tell what happened in germany after the first rumors about docking and corpping ban and when we were told by the DV to shut our mouths and dont make any scandal. the ban came and the original dobermann died.
the same will happen to ALL of you if you dont stop these dictators !
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2012-02-04 06:45, IP: 67.210.97.252, from United States
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DNA and microcip have no sense today because the dobermann already is molosoidal race ...with shit character
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2012-02-03 22:01, IP: 204.45.133.74, from United States
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"2012-02-03 08:24 • IP: 88.130.14.50 • from Germany 1 positive reactions 3 negative
Unter Umständen befinden sich auf den Ahnentafeln nur Etiketten / Aufkleber mit der Mikrochip-Nummer. Dies ist unzulässig!
Die Chipnummer muss in die Ahnentafel eingetragen (nicht aufgeklebt) sein.......
Wegen derzeit schwebender Verfahren bezüglich der nicht Identifizierbarkeit von ausländischen Hunden, sind davon auch Hunde wie z.B. teilweise aus Serbien etc. betroffen, die für eine deutsche ZTP Teilnahme abgelehnt werden. Gleiches gilt für Deutschen- und IDC Veranstaltungen."
I saw that nobody reacted to this. In a short translation : no dog which have a microchip number attached as a sticker on the pedigree cannot participate in ZTP exams or IDC shows, just those which have this number typed on the pedigree. Wow !!! How about a big abuse done by this ?!!!
It is a great interference in National Kennel clubs decisions and also an abuse against FCI rule. In the FCI Dog show regulation is only written : "Micro-chips (ISO-standard) and tattoos are accepted equally. If in the relevant country there are no scanners for reading, the exhibitor has to bring his own scanner. "
Hungary and other countries I know they use stickers from microchips on pedigrees : or you change somehow the pedigrees of your dogs and force your Kennel Clubs to do what DV wants or you will be out from IDC ! DV starterd to make the laws also for Kennel Clubs. Great !
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2012-02-03 21:22, IP: 204.45.133.74, from United States
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2012-02-03 15:39 • IP: 79.1.72.100 • from Italy 1 positive reactions 3 negative
is true that the standard will be changed as Becht told?????
finally??"
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2012-02-03 19:03 • IP: 109.52.66.15 • from Italy 2 positive reactions 1 negative
FINALMENTE....è arrivato un IMBECILLE come te!!!!
Ecco cosa ha detto esattamente Becht."
Carro Italiano ! Non discutere tra di voi. Il vuostro presidente, come un bambino buono che ripete le parole del Padre, ha detto che dovremmo abituarci all'idea di cambiare lo standard della razza, l'anno scorso in Ungheria, dopo Wiblishauser ha lanciato l'idea.
Dear Italians , do not argue between you. Your president , as a good child which repeats the words of father, told last year in Hungary that we have to accomodate with the idea of changing the breed standard, after Wiblishauser launched this idea.
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2012-02-03 20:50, IP: 109.52.66.15, from Italy
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A RIMBECILLE!!!!!
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2012-02-03 20:34, IP: 79.1.72.100, from Italy
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2012-02-03 19:03 • IP: 109.52.66.15 • from Italy toscano mangiati il tuo pane sciapo e non rompere ........................
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2012-02-03 19:03, IP: 109.52.66.15, from Italy
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FINALMENTE....è arrivato un IMBECILLE come te!!!!
Ecco cosa ha detto esattamente Becht.
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2012-02-03 15:39, IP: 79.1.72.100, from Italy
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is true that the standard will be changed as Becht told?????
finally??
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2012-02-03 14:13, IP: 188.28.123.65, from United Kingdom
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Ottmar vogel was correct when he said it was a mistake to have made Andy v Eichenheim....bundessigerin
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2012-02-03 14:10, IP: 188.28.123.65, from United Kingdom
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asfar as ellendonk ...i think it was a mistake to have used andy v eichenheim twice .....but bingo was definetely it seems a good male t0 use in breeding
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2012-02-03 13:43, IP: 188.28.123.65, from United Kingdom
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well gb ...she was my first fenale dobermann ...grand daughter of alpha le dobry known for his hardness and sharpness ...and grand daughter to gravin aristo and gravin aranka .known for her sharpness ,,,... .only prob was it was inbreeding on torsion and dcm ....only can think the breeders at that time looked at these problems as part of the breed ....otherwise why inbreed on them? character wise as said gentle at home but no fear and a few instances she actually proved it in a fericious way ..ripping as she was biting ,,,all her pups had good strong calm temperaments ,,,....the only breeder who it seemed was ethical towards health was furstenfeld ....and the only other breeder who seem to be was ellendonk ......the rest sorry to say just didnt seem to care
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2012-02-03 12:29, IP: 93.186.31.236, from United Kingdom
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I've owned 5 Neerlands Stam dogs. 1 of them was only a G dog but all of them had the real dobermann characters! No fear, strong in work but sweet at home.
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2012-02-03 08:26, IP: 88.130.14.50, from Germany
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Ehrenrat
Der Ehrenrat des Dobermann Verein e.V. bildet sich aus folgenden Personen.
Günter Becker
Bahnhofstraße 233a
38838 Dingelstedt/Huy
Tel.: 49 (0) 39425 2140
E-Mail: guenter.becker@dobermann.deDiese E-Mail-Adresse ist gegen Spambots geschützt! muss aktiviert werden, damit sie angezeigt werden kann.
Martin Pabst
Nemdener Str. 20
49326 Melle
Tel.: 49 (0) 5402 3173
E-Mail: martin.pabst@dobermann.deDiese E-Mail-Adresse ist gegen Spambots geschützt! muss aktiviert werden, damit sie angezeigt werden kann. Bernhard Beerhorst
Hartwarderwurp 4
26935 Stadland
Tel.: 49 (0) 4732 1840110
E-Mail: bernhard.beerhorst@dobermann.de
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2012-02-03 08:24, IP: 88.130.14.50, from Germany
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Vorwort "Unser Dobermann" - Ausgabe November 2011
Donnerstag, 01. Dezember 2011 | Geschrieben von: Hans Wiblishauser
Das Ende der Toleranz ...
... ist erreicht. Es ist höchste Zeit in einigen Bereichen der Dobermann-Zucht, oder sagen wir besser: Bei einigen Züchtern, die Zügel zu straffen. Verwunderung werden neue Maßnahmen allgemein nicht auslösen.
Der Dobermann-Verein e.V. ist ein Rassehundezuchtverein. Allgemein hinlänglich bekannt. Der Internationale Dobermann Club (IDC) ist ein freiwilliger Zusammenschluss von nationalen Dobermann-Klubs, die einheitliche Zuchtbestimmungen und –kontrollen vereinbaren und umsetzen.
Weiterlesen...
Wichtige Informationen für Welpenkäufer
Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2011 | Geschrieben von: Sofia Meier
Aus gegebenem Anlass machen wir alle Welpeninteressenten, die sich für Welpen aus dem Ausland interessieren, darauf aufmerksam, unbedingt die Ahnentafel / Pedigree beider Elterntiere vor der Kaufentscheidung einzusehen. Besonders ist auf die Chipnummer zu achten.
Unter Umständen befinden sich auf den Ahnentafeln nur Etiketten / Aufkleber mit der Mikrochip-Nummer. Dies ist unzulässig!
Die Chipnummer muss in die Ahnentafel eingetragen (nicht aufgeklebt) sein.
Andernfalls werden Hunde, die nicht eindeutig identifizierbar sind, in Deutschland nicht anerkannt (keine Zuchtbuchübernahme) und nicht zur ZTP zugelassen.
Wegen derzeit schwebender Verfahren bezüglich der nicht Identifizierbarkeit von ausländischen Hunden, sind davon auch Hunde wie z.B. teilweise aus Serbien etc. betroffen, die für eine deutsche ZTP Teilnahme abgelehnt werden. Gleiches gilt für Deutschen- und IDC Veranstaltungen.
Bei Unklarheiten stehen wir Ihnen gerne, am Besten vor dem Kauf, beratend zur Verfügung.
Ihre DV Zuchtbuchstelle
DV Deutsche Meisterschaft FH
Dienstag, 25. Oktober 2011 | Geschrieben von: Redaktion
Austragungsort: Oberdorla
Zeitraum: 22./23.10.2011
Veranstalter: Dobermann Verein/Abteilung Oberdorla
Durchführung: Manfred Fischer
Alle Teilnehmer und Ergebnisse unter Weiterlesen ...
Weiterlesen...
Zum Ableben von Professor Dr. Dr. Wilhelm Brass
Donnerstag, 20. Oktober 2011 | Geschrieben von: Hans Wiblishauser
Wir haben heute die traurige Pflicht, Sie darüber zu informieren, dass Professor Brass am Samstag, den 8. Oktober 2011, im Alter von 85 Jahren verstorben ist. Der unerwartete Tod des Herrn Brass hat allseits größte Betroffenheit ausgelöst.
Herr Prof. Brass war ein Mann, dessen Name eng mit der Erfolgsgeschichte des Dobermann Vereins verbunden war. Von der ersten Stunde an wurde die HD-Diagnostik zusammen mit ihm entwickelt und sehr erfolgreich umgesetzt. Herr Prof. Brass wurde durch seine großen wissenschaftlichen Verdienste um das Hundewesen weltweit bekannt.
Er war Träger der Goldenen Verdienstnadel mit Brillant, der höchsten Auszeichnung die der VDH zu vergeben hat.
Dr. Dr. Brass war seit 25 Jahren Präsident der Wissenschaftlichen Kommission der FCI.
Persönlich hatte ich während dieser Zeit eine hervorragende, vertrauensvolle und freundschaftliche Zusammenarbeit. Ich habe einen aufrichtigen Freund verloren.
Wir fühlen uns geehrt, dass Herr Prof. Brass sein umfangreiches Können und kompetentes Wissen dem DV und IDC stets zur Verfügung gestellt hat.
Herr Prof. Brass hinterlässt eine große Lücke in der Kynologie.
Wir wünschen seiner gesamten Familie, auch im Namen des DV und IDC Präsidiums viel Kraft in dieser schweren Zeit.
Hans Wiblishauser
Präsident des Dobermann-Verein e.V. (DV)
President des Internationalen Dobermann Clubs (IDC)
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2012-02-03 08:23, IP: 88.130.14.50, from Germany
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Vorwort "Unser Dobermann" - Ausgabe November 2011
Donnerstag, 01. Dezember 2011 | Hans Wiblishauser
Das Ende der Toleranz ...
... ist erreicht. Es ist höchste Zeit in einigen Bereichen der Dobermann-Zucht, oder sagen wir besser: Bei einigen Züchtern, die Zügel zu straffen. Verwunderung werden neue Maßnahmen allgemein nicht auslösen.
Der Dobermann-Verein e.V. ist ein Rassehundezuchtverein. Allgemein hinlänglich bekannt. Der Internationale Dobermann Club (IDC) ist ein freiwilliger Zusammenschluss von nationalen Dobermann-Klubs, die einheitliche Zuchtbestimmungen und –kontrollen vereinbaren und umsetzen.
Es geht in unseren Reihen also erstrangig um die Zucht - als Hobby. Rassehundezucht bedeutet in erster Linie Verantwortung. Die Leitlinien für diese hohe Verantwortung erarbeiten die Verbände und Vereine. Grundlagen dafür sind die Erfahrungswerte und Ziele der Mitglieder, allem voran der Züchter. Letztere unterwerfen sich den dafür erarbeiteten Zuchtbestimmungen und übernehmen in hohem Maße Verantwortung um ihre Ziele zu erreichen. Bei der Anschaffung von Hunden, die evtl. in die Zucht gehen sollen, bei der Auswahl der Zuchtpartner. Bei der Erziehung und Ausbildung von Hunden u. v. m. So soll es sein.
Ganz anders sieht es aus, wenn Hundezucht für Einzelne zum Neben- oder gar Haupterwerb avanciert. Wenn sie zum Business - als Produkt - verkommt. Zum „normalen“ Erfolgsdruck kommt der finanzielle Druck hinzu. Immer mehr Hunde müssen in immer kürzeren Abständen „produziert“ werden, um einen vermeintlichen Bedarf, vorrangig jedoch die anfallenden Kosten und den errechneten Verdienst abzudecken. Dabei – so scheint es – erlischt jegliches Verantwortungsbewusstsein und alle Mittel scheinen recht zu sein, um die gesteckten Ziele zu erreichen. Vereinzelt ist die „Kreativität“ solcher Züchter so ausgeprägt, dass immer neue Methoden angewendet werden, um viele – wenn nicht alle – Zuchtbestimmungen und –kontrollen des Dobermann-Verein e.V. zu umgehen. Selbst vor Betrug und Fälschungen von Papieren wird nicht zurück geschreckt. Den Schaden haben immer die Welpenkäufer und späteren Hundebesitzer, aber auch die seriösen, verantwortungsvollen Züchter sowie der DV insgesamt zu tragen. Von langen Zeitspannen überdauernden Zuchtschäden ganz zu schweigen.
Ich möchte an dieser Stelle offen darauf hinweisen, dass die Verantwortlichen des Dobermann-Verein e.V. und des IDC alle Mitteilungen und Hinweise über evtl. Missstände ernst nehmen. Wir recherchieren und verfolgen Auffälligkeiten. Die Aktivitäten nehmen viel Zeit in Anspruch, schließlich müssen erhobene Vorwürfe belegbar sein.
Gleichzeitig versichere ich Ihnen jedoch, dass nachweisbare Zuchtvergehen und Manipulationen - auch über den Internationalen Dobermann Club (IDC) - mit aller Konsequenz zu Zucht- Prüfungs- und Ausstellungsverboten für die Betroffenen, bzw. mit Ausschluss von Mitgliedsländern aus dem IDC führen können. Wir werden in nachweislichen Fällen hohe Sanktionen verhängen. In dieses Thema werden wir in den nächsten Wochen und Monate all‘ unsere Zeit, Energie und die erforderlichen finanziellen Mittel investieren.
Begrüßenswert erscheinen mir derzeit laufende Aktionen diverser Internetportale, in denen sich Hundehalter melden können, um die Daten ihrer u.a. von DCM betroffener Dobermannhunde einzutragen. Bereits in den ersten Tagen stellte sich heraus, dass die Mehrzahl der Einträge keine Hunde aus kontrollierter Dobermannzucht waren. Die, über eingetragene Zwinger des Dobermann-Verein gezüchteten Hunde, werden auch in diesem Fall geprüft. Letztlich können wir auch nur die Zuchtkontrollen dieser Hunde nachvollziehen. Die kurzfristige Einführung der DNA ist dabei ein weiterer, wichtiger Schritt um klar heraus zu stellen:
Das Ende der Toleranz ist erreicht!
Es sind alle Dobermannfreunde gefordert, sich nicht nur über diverse Internetportale, sondern direkt an den Dobermann-Verein e.V. zu wenden, sofern sie konkrete und über die Hundeherkunft belegbare Informationen zur Verfügung stellen können. Nur so können wir Schäden an der Basis abwenden und uns weiterhin für eine gesunde, kontrollierbare Zucht unseres Dobermanns einsetzen um die seriösen Züchter zu schützen und zu unterstützen. In diesem Sinne lassen Sie uns gemeinsam intensiv für eine kontrollierte Dobermannzucht weiter arbeiten.
Ich grüße Sie herzlichst,
Hans Wiblishauser
1. Präsident
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2012-02-03 08:22, IP: 88.130.14.50, from Germany
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probably they doesn'r show the dog or the judge was n0t under mr P and the dog take the G or VG
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2012-02-03 08:22, IP: 88.130.14.50, from Germany
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Cesar Millan may be famous, but he remains controversial
By Steve Dale
TRIBUNE MEDIA SERVICES
11/08/2008
Cesar Millan has an opportunity enjoyed by no other dog trainer in history. Here's the only problem: The messages he delivers are sometimes debatable, some even say dangerous, leaving many animal behavior experts cringing about the outcomes.
Dog training books by H.R. East and William Koehler were trendy back in the day, but they greatly pre-dated TV. Captain Haggerty delivered dog training to TV audiences early on. He was followed by a wildly popular, stern British lady who repeated the command "Walkies." However, Haggerty and Barbara Woodhouse peaked before the explosion of cable TV and the Internet.
Millan is everywhere and his reach is unmatched. He continues to host "The Dog Whisperer with Cesar Millan" on the National Geographic Channel, and is a frequent guest on other TV shows, even appearing on "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno." There's his personal Web site, cesarmillan.com :: fitness solutions ::, and now a new interactive site, Sessions with Cesar, where followers can pay for lessons and network with likeminded fans. He recently released his fourth book, "A Member of the Family: Cesar Millan's Guide to a Lifetime of Fulfillment with Your Dog" (Harmony Books, New York, NY, 2008; $25.95).
Unfortunately, his impact isn't all good. Veterinary behaviorist Dr. Lore Haug, of Houston, is among dozens of dog trainers, behavior consultants and veterinary behaviorists who've told me that they see a lot of clients because of Millan's advice. "My colleagues frequently have dogs come to us after owners unsuccessfully used his methods, often making a problem worse and damaging the relationships between dogs and their owners," says Haug.
In fact, there are pop-up bubbles on Millan's TV show warning viewers against attempting his techniques at home.
In a recent appearance on "Pet Central," my Chicago-based WGN Radio show, Millan said, " 'The Dog Whisperer' is not a 'how-to' show; the book is for that. I don't want people to try it at home because every episode is tailored to a specific family and specific dog."
Still, many viewers ignore the warnings.
"I realize many viewers say we know we're not supposed to try this at home, but it works, of course," Millan said. "God bless their hearts. But we still say you're not supposed to try it."
What about concerns that children, some barely able to read those warnings, may still follow Millan's instructions, or that people have been hurt attempting replicate his often intimidating methods of dog training? Credible organizations that have expressed concerns about the "Cesar Way" include the American Humane Association and International Association of Animal Behavior Consultants.
"Everyone has their own way of doing things," Millan said. "I'm not saying every dog trainer should be me. My way is not the only way. I'm always learning from whatever I see."
So who is Cesar's teacher? He mentions Leon S. Whitney, who authored dog books in the 1950s and '60s, including "Dog Psychology: The Basics of Dog Training."
"I read every single (dog training) book; it's always good to be in a surrender state and stay open to everything," Millan says. Yet, he fails to come up with the name of even a single contemporary dog trainer whose work has influenced him, or the name of a recent book he's read.
One criticism is that Millan's methods and philosophy were contemporary back when Whitney was writing, taking dog training back decades toward intimidation over contemporary learning theory. One example is how Millan compares dogs to wolves and how owners must assert themselves as the dominant pack leaders in their homes.
Appearing later the same night on my radio show, Dr. John Ciribassi, a veterinary behaviorist based in the Chicago area and immediate past president of the American Veterinary Society of Animal Behavior, said, "The reality is that the pack explanation, the need to fight for dominance (in a home) is an arcane theory. The idea of dominance and need for it implies the need to, in fact, dominate our dogs. There is a need to communicate and to motivate but not to dominate. (Millan) uses the word 'leader' (for the owner); perhaps the word 'teacher' is better."
"My emphasis is on getting the behaviors you do want," added Dr. Barbara Sherman, president of the American College of Veterinary Behaviorists (veterinarians board certified in animal behavior) and professor in the Department of Clinical Sciences, at North Carolina State University's College of Veterinary Medicine. "It's the over-riding rule of animal behavior: Encourage the behaviors you want; ignore the behaviors you don't. Also, punishment doesn't make clear what you want the dogs to do. And punishment, like rollovers (rolling a dog over and/or pinning a dog) can be very frightening. You may get a backlash of aggression because the dog is scared and doesn't know what is going on. This can worsen behavior."
Interestingly, Millan admitted he has softened his views somewhat.
"Listen, dominance is a mental act," he said. "Just like a cat controls a dog just with a state of mind, we can do the same; control (a dog's behavior) using our minds. And I'm certainly not against using food, or whatever it takes to motivate a dog."
Viewers who closely follow Millan may note that his views have moderated to accept more conventional and contemporary approaches. "Of course," he says. "It's all about moving forward. Most of the time, I come to cases when other professionals have tried, and it's up to me to save that dog. I have a certain knowledge and common sense. I hope to share that knowledge through my video game, or Sessions with Cesar, or the TV show. My job is to help dogs."
(Steve Dale welcomes questions/comments from readers. Although he can't answer all of them individually, he'll answer those of general interest in his column. Write to Steve at Tribune Media Services, 2225 Kenmore Ave., Suite 114, Buffalo, NY 14207. Send e-mail to PETWORLD(at)STEVE DALE.TV. Include your name, city and state. Steve's website is www.stevedalepetworld.com; he can be heard Sundays on WGN Radio, 8 to 10 p.m. CST (WGN Radio - HOME to listen live), and hosts the nationally syndicated "Steve Dale's Pet World" and "The Pet Minute." He's also a contributing editor to USA Weekend.
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2012-02-03 00:40, IP: 188.29.27.45, from United Kingdom
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yes i heard about guys hilo ...but i always thought he was bred by jens ....as said my bitch was extreme in drives ...with hardness.she had no fear ........if i wasnt there to get her off in attack you would have to kill her as she would be so turned on by it ....at home very relaxed and calm and loving ....outside could be a liabilty ..she really needed a professional trainer to guide her extreme drives ....as they were way high
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2012-02-02 22:02, IP: 86.31.72.76, from United Kingdom
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Guy's Hilo (bred by an Englishman) was well known for passing on torsion. Other than that the dogs bred by Mme Knijf certainly had style and the "correct look" lost today
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2012-02-02 20:02, IP: 74.101.35.25, from United States
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Your bitch, a daugher of Hera, died of bloat. Hera's brother Igon died of bloat. Their mother Aranka died of bloat. Aranka's mother Wietske died of bloat and their sire, Guy's Hilo, bloated twice but had more lives than a cat, living until old age.
The breed has many other problems besides DCM. Torsion being one.
And it's pretty ridiculous how many dogs are poisioned / bitten by snakes / hit by cars in Europe. So these "acts of god" are pretty serious problems too.
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2012-02-02 17:56, IP: 217.232.62.113, from Germany
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2012-02-01 18:21 • IP: 93.174.93.145 • from Netherlands
Poor guy (Alojz Purgaj-Jahrestal Kennel)
Have a litter with the stolen female TIGRIS LEWAN V. JAHRESTAL
He can not have the pedigree for the puppies.
He will go next time in JAIL
Hello Netherland!!
Have you news about Purgaj??
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2012-02-02 15:16, IP: 188.28.247.49, from United Kingdom
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it would seem that even these older famous breeders ...would still inbreed on known sick dogs as if it was just part of the breeds fault
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2012-02-02 15:07, IP: 188.28.247.49, from United Kingdom
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graft questor vns goes back to Valbo Germania
litter brother to Vilja germania......who is a suspect through bringing it through the lines ...and also a daughter of my bitch from graft hera vns had dcm ,,,and she had graft questor both sides
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2012-02-02 15:00, IP: 188.28.247.49, from United Kingdom
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what is interesting is that graft questor vns had dcm
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2012-02-02 14:52, IP: 188.28.247.49, from United Kingdom
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i did read gravin aranka vns her grandmother was considered by vera kniff as the most fiery bitch she had owned ....maybe my bithh with alpha le dobry ....came out even more ,,,,,,not sure if such dogs are about in that extreme anyway so much anymore
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2012-02-02 14:48, IP: 188.28.247.49, from United Kingdom
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talking about van neerslands stam .....i owned a bitch from gravin hera
http://www.working-dog.eu/dogs-details/46893/Gravin-Hera-van-Neerlands-Stam-(NHSB-1307883)
and on the sires side a grand daughter of alpha le dobry .....she was the hardest ...most fiery extreme protection prey driven dog i have known and passed it on .....she was rated by some working experts who met her as ideal for riot control .....she was very loving to me ...but unless i checked her and said no ...she explode on you ....she died of torsion sadly i had given her a milk drink which i didnt dliute enough ....and she could not digest it ...maybe also because she was inbred to guys hilo on mothers side ....for anybody someone who likes extreme drives with hardness she would not let down ....but a real handful on the street for a novice like me at that time
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2012-02-02 09:50, IP: 109.182.123.141, from Slovenia
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Cesar Millan may be famous, but he remains controversial
By Steve Dale
TRIBUNE MEDIA SERVICES
11/08/2008
Cesar Millan has an opportunity enjoyed by no other dog trainer in history. Here's the only problem: The messages he delivers are sometimes debatable, some even say dangerous, leaving many animal behavior experts cringing about the outcomes.
Dog training books by H.R. East and William Koehler were trendy back in the day, but they greatly pre-dated TV. Captain Haggerty delivered dog training to TV audiences early on. He was followed by a wildly popular, stern British lady who repeated the command "Walkies." However, Haggerty and Barbara Woodhouse peaked before the explosion of cable TV and the Internet.
Millan is everywhere and his reach is unmatched. He continues to host "The Dog Whisperer with Cesar Millan" on the National Geographic Channel, and is a frequent guest on other TV shows, even appearing on "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno." There's his personal Web site, cesarmillan.com :: fitness solutions ::, and now a new interactive site, Sessions with Cesar, where followers can pay for lessons and network with likeminded fans. He recently released his fourth book, "A Member of the Family: Cesar Millan's Guide to a Lifetime of Fulfillment with Your Dog" (Harmony Books, New York, NY, 2008; $25.95).
Unfortunately, his impact isn't all good. Veterinary behaviorist Dr. Lore Haug, of Houston, is among dozens of dog trainers, behavior consultants and veterinary behaviorists who've told me that they see a lot of clients because of Millan's advice. "My colleagues frequently have dogs come to us after owners unsuccessfully used his methods, often making a problem worse and damaging the relationships between dogs and their owners," says Haug.
In fact, there are pop-up bubbles on Millan's TV show warning viewers against attempting his techniques at home.
In a recent appearance on "Pet Central," my Chicago-based WGN Radio show, Millan said, " 'The Dog Whisperer' is not a 'how-to' show; the book is for that. I don't want people to try it at home because every episode is tailored to a specific family and specific dog."
Still, many viewers ignore the warnings.
"I realize many viewers say we know we're not supposed to try this at home, but it works, of course," Millan said. "God bless their hearts. But we still say you're not supposed to try it."
What about concerns that children, some barely able to read those warnings, may still follow Millan's instructions, or that people have been hurt attempting replicate his often intimidating methods of dog training? Credible organizations that have expressed concerns about the "Cesar Way" include the American Humane Association and International Association of Animal Behavior Consultants.
"Everyone has their own way of doing things," Millan said. "I'm not saying every dog trainer should be me. My way is not the only way. I'm always learning from whatever I see."
So who is Cesar's teacher? He mentions Leon S. Whitney, who authored dog books in the 1950s and '60s, including "Dog Psychology: The Basics of Dog Training."
"I read every single (dog training) book; it's always good to be in a surrender state and stay open to everything," Millan says. Yet, he fails to come up with the name of even a single contemporary dog trainer whose work has influenced him, or the name of a recent book he's read.
One criticism is that Millan's methods and philosophy were contemporary back when Whitney was writing, taking dog training back decades toward intimidation over contemporary learning theory. One example is how Millan compares dogs to wolves and how owners must assert themselves as the dominant pack leaders in their homes.
Appearing later the same night on my radio show, Dr. John Ciribassi, a veterinary behaviorist based in the Chicago area and immediate past president of the American Veterinary Society of Animal Behavior, said, "The reality is that the pack explanation, the need to fight for dominance (in a home) is an arcane theory. The idea of dominance and need for it implies the need to, in fact, dominate our dogs. There is a need to communicate and to motivate but not to dominate. (Millan) uses the word 'leader' (for the owner); perhaps the word 'teacher' is better."
"My emphasis is on getting the behaviors you do want," added Dr. Barbara Sherman, president of the American College of Veterinary Behaviorists (veterinarians board certified in animal behavior) and professor in the Department of Clinical Sciences, at North Carolina State University's College of Veterinary Medicine. "It's the over-riding rule of animal behavior: Encourage the behaviors you want; ignore the behaviors you don't. Also, punishment doesn't make clear what you want the dogs to do. And punishment, like rollovers (rolling a dog over and/or pinning a dog) can be very frightening. You may get a backlash of aggression because the dog is scared and doesn't know what is going on. This can worsen behavior."
Interestingly, Millan admitted he has softened his views somewhat.
"Listen, dominance is a mental act," he said. "Just like a cat controls a dog just with a state of mind, we can do the same; control (a dog's behavior) using our minds. And I'm certainly not against using food, or whatever it takes to motivate a dog."
Viewers who closely follow Millan may note that his views have moderated to accept more conventional and contemporary approaches. "Of course," he says. "It's all about moving forward. Most of the time, I come to cases when other professionals have tried, and it's up to me to save that dog. I have a certain knowledge and common sense. I hope to share that knowledge through my video game, or Sessions with Cesar, or the TV show. My job is to help dogs."
(Steve Dale welcomes questions/comments from readers. Although he can't answer all of them individually, he'll answer those of general interest in his column. Write to Steve at Tribune Media Services, 2225 Kenmore Ave., Suite 114, Buffalo, NY 14207. Send e-mail to PETWORLD(at)STEVE DALE.TV. Include your name, city and state. Steve's website is www.stevedalepetworld.com; he can be heard Sundays on WGN Radio, 8 to 10 p.m. CST (WGN Radio - HOME to listen live), and hosts the nationally syndicated "Steve Dale's Pet World" and "The Pet Minute." He's also a contributing editor to USA Weekend.
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2012-02-02 09:46, IP: 109.182.123.141, from Slovenia
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really?
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probably they doesn'r show the dog or the judge was n0t under mr P and the dog take the G or VG
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2012-02-01 18:21, IP: 93.174.93.145, from Netherlands
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Poor guy (Alojz Purgaj-Jahrestal Kennel)
Have a litter with the stolen female TIGRIS LEWAN V. JAHRESTAL
He can not have the pedigree for the puppies.
He will go next time in JAIL
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