Top 5 kennels, top 10 males ever, top 10...


Unread postby mark1 » Sun Apr 18, 2004 8:32 pm

I like to know peoples opinions of the most important 5 sires who influenced the breed for work in the last 20 yrs

Unread postby Gaidah » Mon Apr 19, 2004 9:43 am

JIVAGO Van Het Wantij
Dobermanns forever....
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Unread postby mark1 » Mon Apr 19, 2004 1:52 pm

falk v rotbachtal<legend> but older than the 20 yrs
ali von langerhorst
Castor von der Mooreich.
Granit von bayern
hargos van wantij
guys hilo von norden stam

Unread postby DoberMac » Thu Apr 22, 2004 4:32 pm

If I may add:
Hertog Conan von Mannensheide
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Unread postby mark1 » Thu Apr 22, 2004 4:58 pm

Conan of course with his work+ show abilities has to be mentioned

Unread postby Dobisunshine » Thu Apr 22, 2004 8:39 pm

Jivago van het Wantij
Graaf Quirinus van Neerland Stam
Xico van het Wantij
Baron vom Lechtfeld

Unread postby dobefreak » Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:13 pm

and bingo v. ellendok
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Unread postby Frank » Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:44 pm

1. Bingo v. Ellendonk
2. Gero v.d. Mooreiche
3. 4. C-Litter v.d. Mooreiche
4. A-Litter v.d. Weyermühle
5. Bingo v. Ellendonk

Unread postby Guest » Tue May 04, 2004 12:05 pm

To put Jivago here, then you can't have seen much of his progeny :P

Unread postby Guest » Tue May 04, 2004 12:07 pm

And same with Xico van het Wantij, have only seen bad working dogs from him!!!!!!

Unread postby Jivago Son » Wed May 05, 2004 1:08 pm

What does you say here?Jivago is one of the best working dogs and also his progney is very hard in Working.Where are you from?Did you ever saw him in action?I think not!!!
Jivago Son

Unread postby vicio » Wed May 05, 2004 8:44 pm

well, I must say that jivago didnt have many influence in work. he may have IPO3 but many dobermanns have IPO3 and their working sucks. the best working dobes are still in germany.

Unread postby Bruno Banani » Wed May 05, 2004 8:59 pm

this is a very good joke ! the best working dogs in germany ! *lol*

i am sure you have not seen the körung of last year. the best working dogs are no longer in germany. this is a fact ! about jivago i can tell you that i saw him work and he is one of the dogs who amazed me. also his children and even grandchildren have got his power. it seems you have seen only bad progeny of him. you have to admit that even jivago and also all the other studs are not wondermales who can ALWAYS bring excellent puppys. also the dam gives a lot of her character to the puppys and there is no male on earth who is perfect. a fact is jivago brought a lot of excellent working progeny and i am sad you have not seen enough of them that you can get to the same opinion.
Bruno Banani

Unread postby vicio » Thu May 06, 2004 11:31 am

the results speak in my favour. germans get the best results on IDC WC. if we are talking in the way of team results and also individual. also the dutch are there and italians. if they would be competing on all breed WC they would be on the bottom. lets face it. you cant get a decent working dobermann anymore. today all it counts are the show results.

Unread postby Gladio » Wed May 18, 2005 9:49 am

Bingo v Haus Astegg
Chico V Haus Astegg
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