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Unread postby Weinberge » Tue Aug 28, 2007 12:32 pm

gribbon wrote:Much better than citto-urbano-pathos and all this
family who is in trend now.




Why you need to say this and make this comparation again and start war again ? I like Antheus for what Antheus is and represent but i like and DN for what they represent and love DN for what they are.

This not mean to say bad words.
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Unread postby gribbon » Tue Aug 28, 2007 12:33 pm

alberto when i say better head you already know that i mean more typical.Urbano has sufficient flat cranium,too much lips and light markings,citto is rather hypertypical and pathos better than those 2 but not so balanced and harmonious like antheus.I don't think that you have seen antheus recently because his owner is too busy and doesn't enter him in shows.Maybe you have seen him as a young dog.Any way i also respect your opinion but i think that antheus has better type of head very close to the type of navarre di vila castelli.Antheus doesn't have just a good head but an importand head very much in type!!!(the comparison of antheus head to navare's one is not mine.An old breeder said that and believe me he knows more than all of us in this forum.Obviously i cannot say his name because it was a private conversation.)
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Unread postby gribbon » Tue Aug 28, 2007 12:52 pm

dear valencia no war!! I also like some DN or RB,like urbano and rui manuel.Rui was in Athens for almost 3years and owner was a very close friend of mine!He is a dog that i like a lot especialy for his type of head.But i like more Antheus and that's all! :D
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Unread postby Carlos2006 » Tue Aug 28, 2007 12:56 pm

gribbon wrote:alberto when i say better head you already know that i mean more typical.Urbano has sufficient flat cranium,too much lips and light markings,citto is rather hypertypical and pathos better than those 2 but not so balanced and harmonious like antheus.I don't think that you have seen antheus recently because his owner is too busy and doesn't enter him in shows.Maybe you have seen him as a young dog.Any way i also respect your opinion but i think that antheus has better type of head very close to the type of navarre di vila castelli.Antheus doesn't have just a good head but an importand head very much in type!!!(the comparison of antheus head to navare's one is not mine.An old breeder said that and believe me he knows more than all of us in this forum.Obviously i cannot say his name because it was a private conversation.)


If you know well, like the head must be, you must know, dear university professor, than the eye she must be dark and Pathos he does not have it, Urbano and Citto yes :D
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Unread postby Weinberge » Tue Aug 28, 2007 12:58 pm

gribbon wrote:.An old breeder said that and believe me he knows more than all of us in this forum.Obviously i cannot say his name because it was a private conversation.)


I suppose Mr. Prosperi :D and i can say his name because he discuss with you not mine :lol:

Please don't based from my person in your calculation about knowledge :lol:
I joke.
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Unread postby gribbon » Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:08 pm

It seems to me that some people at this forum cannot understand and cannot be polite.Maybe something they ...miss!Any way it is your problem dear carlos.I didn't say that pathos has dark eyes.I said that he has better head than urbano and citto.Medium colour eyes(like pathos eyes) doesn't make a head better or worst.It is a characteristic but between other important characteristics too.And please carlos don't call me again "dear university professor".It is very easy to be ironic when you don't see someone.In person it is different.So please stop comments like that.
As for valencia:hahaha!You are great!!! :D
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Unread postby Weinberge » Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:10 pm

Carlos2006 wrote:If you know well, like the head must be, you must know, dear university professor, than the eye she must be dark and Pathos he does not have it, Urbano and Citto yes :D


This not mean obligatory Pathos not have non-Furstenfeld genes. :D
Because Lump , Furstenfeld father have this particularity.

And in Franckenhorst exist this problem but i not know exactly who imprim this .

Who know if Pathos is one Furstenfeld or Franckenhorst ? :lol:
Pathos have both powers..and ..problems.. :lol:
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Unread postby BasKal » Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:13 pm

Pathos is Citone.
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Unread postby Weinberge » Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:17 pm

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Unread postby Weinberge » Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:17 pm

BasKal wrote:Pathos is Citone.


100% :lol:
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Unread postby BasKal » Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:25 pm

Pathos is Pezzano engineered dog dont be fooled by kennel name. His mother is an inbred in Citone. The use of an outcross sire on a Citone line bitch is what Pezzano always do. Pezzano build Tequila with outcross sires after the first inbreeding. It will happen again.
Pezzano wanted to breed Crystal Conny-another outcross, with Indio del D. Nero, after her 1st litter with Astor. but the co-owner did something else. These preferred lines, Indio-Conny met at Pathos.
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Unread postby Carlos2006 » Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:25 pm

gribbon wrote:It seems to me that some people at this forum cannot understand and cannot be polite.Maybe something they ...miss!Any way it is your problem dear carlos.I didn't say that pathos has dark eyes.I said that he has better head than urbano and citto.Medium colour eyes(like pathos eyes) doesn't make a head better or worst.It is a characteristic but between other important characteristics too.And please carlos don't call me again "dear university professor".It is very easy to be ironic when you don't see someone.In person it is different.So please stop comments like that.
As for valencia:hahaha!You are great!!! :D


Perhaps in Greece, you judge the head in sections, then it is right you are not a University professor, you you must study a lot :D
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Unread postby Weinberge » Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:32 pm

BasKal wrote:Pathos is Pezzano engineered dog dont be fooled by kennel name. His mother is an inbred in Citone. The use of an outcross sire on a Citone line bitch is what Pezzano always do. Pezzano build Tequila with outcross sires after the first inbreeding. It will happen again.
Pezzano wanted to breed Crystal Conny-another outcross, with Indio del D. Nero, after her 1st litter with Astor. but the co-owner did something else. These preferred lines, Indio-Conny met at Pathos.


Sure sure :D ....you say exactly what say my software about genetical Pathos baggage :

Relative Ascendance Influence , number & %
Name ............ number ............% baggage
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DIAMANTE | 38.00| 21.95 |
BIANCO | 14.00| 12.27 |
CITONE | 14.00| 11.23 |
FORELL | 2492.00| 9.97 |
FÜRSTENFELD | 3205.00| 9.85 |
FRANCKENHORST | 168.00| 6.51 |
GERMANIA | 2378.00| 3.91 |
ROVELINE | 24.00| 3.07 |
ROMBERG | 1262.00| 3.07 |
NORDENN | 7.00| 2.91 |
LUMP V. HAGENSTOLZ | 1506.00| 2.40 |
JURA | 73.00| 2.38 |
NEERLANDS | 49.00| 2.15 |
HAGENSTERN | 248.00| 1.80 |
EICHENHAIN | 396.00| 1.56 |
NYMPHENBURG | 16.00| 1.24 |
GUY'S HILO | 49.00| 1.20 |
ESCHENHOF | 61.00| 1.01 |
FRANKENLAND | 144.00| 0.64 |
FERROLHEIM | 46.00| 0.62 |
WEINBERGE | 104.00| 0.17 |
OTZBERG | 8.00| 0.10 |
DIASPORA | 0.00| 0.00 |
EGELOH | 0.00| 0.00 |
DOBERHILL | 0.00| 0.00 |
MOOREICHE | 0.00| 0.00 |
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Unread postby gribbon » Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:45 pm

Ok carlos!So please give me your judge report about the head of urbano,pathos and citto!Judge to have fun at this topic!!!!!!!!Report not opinion!!!!! :D :D :D
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Unread postby Carlos2006 » Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:56 pm

gribbon wrote:Ok carlos!So please give me your judge report about the head of urbano,pathos and citto!Judge to have fun at this topic!!!!!!!!Report not opinion!!!!! :D :D :D


no, I try to help young students, like you :D
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