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Unread postby Weinberge » Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:31 pm

Near Mooreiche and BARA(personal preferance) the best character key i consider from Franckenhorst line : Fella V Franckenhorst , Orson Roveline , Thamar Tara van Diaspora, Drusilla van Diaspora .

I show one photo received by me now from Germany from one kennel who have this Drusilla van Diaspora and Thamar Tara van Diaspora keys in maximum healtly mode and all health tests passed :

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Unread postby Weinberge » Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:51 pm

Nobili Nelson -In Romania old breeder and friend Wenzel Atilla from Sfantul Gheorghe use Hadar Hose Diaspora similar key with one Naplemente via Tahi-Reme .

Father is Bryan Zamolxis.
His mother:
http://www.dobermannvereniging.nl/modul ... did=134019

I see with my eyes fantastic stable character of this colosus Nobili Nelson (have over 50 kilos).

This next pict is maked by me 2 weeks ago. In pict , at left, George (Elixir owner) hand and legs. :lol:
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Unread postby BasKal » Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:51 pm

1: Weyermuhle -Mooreiche combinations (now Ascomanis, Briskas, some other)
2: Orson v Roveline line (Also Shogun v Roveline, Odin V roveline
3: Hertog Conan V Manenseide Line (in varius combinations)
4: Icarus Kollau
5: Gino Gomez del Citone (for them who like also beauty)
5a:Rui Manuel del Riobianco, combined with stable lines.Hardness and Drive, also beauty)
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Unread postby Weinberge » Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:57 pm

Yes you see right about Rui. Have big working potential .
At one exam , two years ago, one professional trainer comme at me and my Jazz and say...This your crazy dog have fantastic drives for work.
Need stable genes.
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Unread postby BasKal » Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:11 pm

6: Irignus de Ferignis (Via Kiljon Kenaz v Diaspora, Hainide Rols Royce)
7: Hargos v het wantij (if you can find some combined with H. Conan and Fela is great)
8:v. Bayern dogs
9:Black Saggita
10: Della via dei Samurai (Orson x Citone, with some other elements)
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Unread postby Weinberge » Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:23 pm

Baksal show and actual studs not only general blood lines.
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Unread postby BD » Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:16 pm

Wanja Wandor could have used and influence more. For those who saw him in real and action can understand why it's my top pick indivitualy...
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Unread postby liiz » Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:35 pm

I can only comment what i've seen personally in real life (i mean their progeny):

Hainide Rolls-Royce (Escobar Casa di Oz x Pascale v Roveline)
Gr. Zeppelin v Neerlands Stam

just two personal favorites considering the character of their offspring.
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Unread postby Weinberge » Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:06 am

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Unread postby Weinberge » Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:07 am

Ciao Liiz :D

And you Liiz and Black Division have right both.
I have one breeder friend in Germany who have one Wanja Wandor grand-dauther in combination with Icaro Villa Castelli blood. She have intention to use Zeppelin and inbreeding in Icaro and choice Zeppelin and because strong character reason.

For this reason i try one mating at Focus Umbro who have not only Icaro beauty key but have and working drives but unfortunately not work.

In my opinion your stud Lizz and your line BD are very important for future steeps and breeding in Icaro line doubled by strong character key and in Greece and in Russia.
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Unread postby BasKal » Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:00 pm

I dont think Icaro is a good line for work, only sufficient.
He had enormous play drive when I saw him. He loved his ball.
The combination with Kastor Mooreiche may helped Zeppelin.
Hainide Rolls Royce is the father of Tango. Tango is a working "natural".
I saw Kiljon Kennaz in action>Breathtaking. Also Irignus son El Nino Casa di Oz.
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Unread postby Camelot1 » Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:42 pm

I saw Kiljon Kennaz on video ..def impressive
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Unread postby Weinberge » Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:02 pm

BasKal wrote:I dont think Icaro is a good line for work, only sufficient.
He had enormous play drive when I saw him. He loved his ball.
The combination with Kastor Mooreiche may helped Zeppelin.
Hainide Rolls Royce is the father of Tango. Tango is a working "natural".
I saw Kiljon Kennaz in action>Breathtaking. Also Irignus son El Nino Casa di Oz.


I not say Icaro is one work line. I not think 'ball drives' is one working drives. Sorry. Ball in my opinion stimulate mechanical drives and not thinking.
I see dogs who not see nothing around when see ball. I not like this because i not like working automatism , even i accept some automatism is good. Is my personal option.

When i reffer at Icaro line before i say ' doubled by strong character key '.
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Unread postby gribbon » Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:50 pm

wanja wandor lives in Germany so it was easy for German breeders to use him in order to improve character but it seems that not so many were interesting for him.In Germany there are much better dogs in character than wanja,like the amazing killijon kenaz v.diaspora, lenox and hajo v.aurachgrund or mona v.edertal.
As for rui manuel...what can i say?His big problem(when he lived in Athens) was his agressive character.In fact he was a dangerous dog.Extremely high temperament plus unstable nervous system is not an advantage.
And for those who say whatever they want about Gino's character i will use the words of the legendary Italian trainer mr Roberto Donini when some months ago i asked him about Gino.He answered:"Gino is super super super in work and what he gives in reproduction is more super!!"Also he said that Vasco di casa Coppo had a great working character too!!
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