gribbon wrote:Also he said that Vasco di casa Coppo had a great working character too!!
BD wrote: My suggestion on Wanja is obvious: He concetrates both beaty, character and a pd that can be used. For me it's the BEST dobermann in life...
xendo wrote:baskal, i know wanja from real life, i have seen him as a youth, with about 5 years and last year at dv-siegerschau, he visited with his owner.
from the round about 25 matings he had there are few excellent dogs, that´s true, but most descendents are average. the females he mated most were average too, some were excellent. so the total quality of his offspring is a bit more than average...one more problem was the blue colour, which sometimes appered.
wanja hisself, there you are right, is a very complete dobermann without serious faults. characterwise he is wonderful. a great dog of oldfashioned style.
if he would have produced one, only one great son for example, he would have been taken much more for breeding.
detlef hoped to rescue the van stevingage line, he did a lot of efforts with the spanish kennel de griffeu...but at the end he lost this battle.
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