First Results Posted from the DCM DNA Gene Mutation Test !!

Unread postby El-Zorab » Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:23 pm

the answer is simple valencia. it is because the test is not accurate enough at the moment. if with this test, obviously ill dogs come out to be negative, then i don't want to know how accurate the negative results are.

just because a dog comes out negative at this test, it doesn't mean he truly is negative.

i take the risk to get killed now, when i say : at the moment this test is nothing more for me than a marketing gimmic
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Unread postby bmgillespie » Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:36 pm

El-Zorab wrote:the answer is simple valencia. it is because the test is not accurate enough at the moment. if with this test, obviously ill dogs come out to be negative, then i don't want to know how accurate the negative results are.

just because a dog comes out negative at this test, it doesn't mean he truly is negative.

i take the risk to get killed now, when i say : at the moment this test is nothing more for me than a marketing gimmic


I do not know about marketing gimmic, but it is definitely not accurate and even though 2 of my dogs came back clear, I do not put alot of faith in this test either. I guess it is a start but should have been offered cheaper, since it is not very accurate. As you said dogs that tested positive came back negative on this test should send a alarm to anyone. It definitely makes me think about will I waste money to get last two tested.
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Unread postby jotunheim » Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:14 pm

As it has been stated within the entry by Sonia - the mean of accuracy of the WSU/DNA test is merely 36,8% - which is very low, and with all the listed "negative" results and next to no positive results, I feel gives cause to serious speculations.
No paper has been published on the WSU test - also very concerning ....
We also haven't heard more from Dr. G. Wess and the findings they have made - no test has so far been offered, although it was proclaimed the happen already in 2010 ...

Hopefully, very soon, more information will be available - perhaps additional test tools, also in the form of a DNA test. Personally, I would save my money until this happens.
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Unread postby El-Zorab » Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:09 pm

i totally agree with you bitten ! i think one should save up the money and better holter every year or two just to know if the dog is ok. this is more worth than a genetical test which is not accurate.
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Unread postby Weinberge » Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:21 pm

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Unread postby Weinberge » Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:38 pm

Good answers :-)

Then

...if we look in first DR page, how breeders protect the race genepool ?
The answer is evident. They did a" little inbreeding " on that lines or... they go to Urbano , after that they return home and did again "little inbreeding" on their bloodlines . After that Urbano is swared in chatboard because the products are... molosoidal...
This is love for this bloodline and for dobermann in general or only using and interest ?

Another question... what do you think about a dobermann NEGATIVE tested which have the pedigree fully by problems or premature death ancestors ?
I only asked :D

El-Zorab wrote:i totally agree with you bitten ! i think one should save up the money and better holter every year or two just to know if the dog is ok. this is more worth than a genetical test which is not accurate.


and for what is good a test AFTER the stud have score of puppys ?

The problem is GENETIC , we do not need doctors (like specialists recomand in their bloods :lol: ) and theory. We need REAL LONGEVIVE genetic material.
In time when we make here theory and promote again and again "little inbreeding " in first DR pages and other sites , the last reserves continued to be losted .

In dex that is named Fareseism.
http://dexonline.ro/definitie/fariseism

P.S. After all that years searching, I start to have doubt that different boodlines still exist .
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Unread postby jotunheim » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:04 pm

Valencia:

Yes, the problem is genetic - hence we do need proper research into this health issue.
As said - the future - and hopefully soon - might be able to provide additional tools and also a more accurate DNA test.

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Unread postby Weinberge » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:29 pm

jotunheim wrote:Valencia:

Yes, the problem is genetic - hence we do need proper research into this health issue.
As said - the future - and hopefully soon - might be able to provide additional tools and also a more accurate DNA test.

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And for what additional tools and more accurate DNS tests when probable all bloodlines will have same ancestors in their pedigrees ?
For what additional tools in a general Russian Roulette :roll:

P.S. Very smart Romanian Specialists , after 3 time on a day swears , they recomand in their bloogs by 2 times in a day ...a geneticist capable to save dobermann breed :lol:
For what a geneticist ? To said that the "little inbreeding" in reallity mean hundredths and thousandths same ancestors again and again in ANY pedigree ? To learn us that actual multiplication of ill ancestors mean for sure ill progeny ?
What can do a Geneticist if the REAL longevive genetic material will don't exist in this breeding system?
Theory !?

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Unread postby jotunheim » Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:27 pm

Valencia

Sorry, I can't understand what you´r saying - please explain ...

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Unread postby Weinberge » Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:44 am

Bitten,
when somebody will understand 1% from every my post , will understand the entire truth.
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Unread postby jotunheim » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:55 pm

Valencia wrote:Bitten,
when somebody will understand 1% from every my post , will understand the entire truth.


And you known the entire truth ???

I asked you to explain what you are saying in your entrie, as it's next to impossible to make head and tails of. I do not know which translater you are using, but it makes it VERY difficult to understand the context of your entry. HENCE - I asked you to explain what you are saying -

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Unread postby von Cosack Dobermann » Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:06 am

Hello Bitten, the words, sentences, paragraphs from valencia are molded and fashioned to alure, assure and bewilder!!!! He doesn't know the answer to the genetic questions but he does love to hear and see his words on a written paper hahahaha!!! The days of Baskal and valencia counter punching in the Dobermann squared circle are gone, yet valencia carry's on. Sorta like a hound chasing his tail, if he gets it he doesn't know what to do with it. Same here unfortunately. See ya Bitten! Von
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Unread postby Weinberge » Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:35 am

Regard my genetic knowledges I am not geneticist but....unfortunately , 20 years ago my friend Dr.Sipos Andras learned me suficiently for understand now when I read a pedigree and what happened with our dobermanns.

Regard Baksal , probable Baksal was tired to lost his time , even he is different in opinions and way than me ,but he is one of the best and well documentated breeder and i respect his opinions.


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Unread postby von Cosack Dobermann » Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:45 pm

You see Bitten when he thinks he needs a defense then hes audiable, the talking in circles leaves us and once again hes understood, a miracle???

Worry not about me and my Dobermanns, my Dobermanns for the past 25 years are from other "top" breeders and from the "best" champions of their time. Death is what I got from N/A and Europe, puppies from the "elite" winning dogs. yes it takes two but the dams were from the best lines too.
If the so-called top breeders would spend a dollar and support the research thats offered the answers might come sooner. Reasearch costs money, breeding programs cost money too. Nothing of value is free, and some answers might hurt. There will be failures in the research process so its common sence to "look & see" but the donation must be made. If your a breeder all of this benefits you the breeder, no one else!!! Education is NOT free it costs, in this case Dobermann lives. Von
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