Camelot1 wrote: i never said the problems come from the greyhound ....i said he brought many good things to the breed ...including speed of course ....but brought the weaker character ....the harder character i believe must have come from the mastiff side ..most properly why the early dogs were much sharper ...harder ....because they had the mastiff blood combined with the prey driven hunting dogs ....people speak about having to improve character ..maybe can to some extend but most properly due to the greyhound influence there always maybe weakeness ..
when i speak of the mastiff i speak of the original dobermann influence of the butchers dog ...
BasKal wrote:"Yet these intersections, and not only with Manchester, continued until about 30 years, so that in 1952 in Utrecht, a Dobe brown, DIRK VON KLOCKENHOF (mother's brother of Ch World Lump HAGENSTOLZ VON) was disqualified. The reason: the dog looked more like a Gleyhound than a Dobe and the judge did not believe he had a pedigree Dobermann. "
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