I liked the black female who was winning open class, diden't she have ZTP? She was the best dog in this IDC if you ask me ;-)

For me all is clear and i am not willing to talk to Valencia.

My answer was directed to France. Not interested in your conversation with Valencia. To me, it's all very clear.

@ 2010-09-08 09:31:28 ::: IP:109.106.244.5 ::: from Serbia
Dog can win a class with no ZTP, but can't win the IDC title. Probably one of the class winners black females didn't have ZTP so she couldn't participate for the title. Hope it's clear now : )
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Valencia says : "ZTP must be native , without trainers and accessible for all the dobermann lovers."
"Hope it's clear now", Serbia?

Dog can win a class with no ZTP, but can't win the IDC title. Probably one of the class winners black females didn't have ZTP so she couldn't participate for the title. Hope it's clear now : )

No need to remove the ZTP restrictions but the ZTP must be native , without trainers and accessible for all the dobermann lovers.
the restrictions of siegers titles must be completed with health and longevity restrictions.

I did not think you could win if you had no ZTP!!!!
Did they change the rules again?

...then..remaining c).
Q.E.D.

but..this is not possible....maybe only when show breeders will look from the ring borders how the working lines win the beauty shows.
LOL .

False. Probable when all the dobermann lovers will request that .

Probably when you organize the IDC.

When will be the moment when the response will be :

PROBABLE ONE WITH NO NATIVE ZTP and LONGEVITY ???
On the other life ?

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2010-09-07 19:41:50 ::: IP:212.178.229.166 (hide posts from this IP) ::: from Serbia


Probably the one with no ZTP.

Probably the one with no ZTP.

Why was there only 3 Black females in the ring for the Sgr.title??
Which female was missing and why?? Does anybody know?

Specialists can read here the Valencia answer
http://www.dobermann-review.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=22695#22695

for 2010-09-07 13:43:20 ::: IP:204.45.133.74 (hide posts from this IP) ::: from United States

yesssss 5 time

for 2010-09-07 11:05:11 ::: IP:80.156.11.222 (hide posts from this IP) ::: from Germany

no no, I only see that naemi is amazing but her pedigree is a bomb, also in the others 2 idc siegers, I know that alfa died at 6 and arielle at 7 and astor at 8......a lot of m litter von der Rauberhohle died too young and daughters and sons from them also died in a young age.

I hope that they live a long time with no problems but the pedigree told me another thing

@ 2010-09-07 10:27:58 ::: IP:95.236.24.223 ::: from Italy

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http://www.dobermannpedigrees.nl/modules/pedigree/pedigree.php?pedid=208741

5 time a litter inside.................................... or more?

Italy, I think you are gelouse.

Why you don't like Klimbach line of the judge Thomas Becht constructed on Axel Ravasi, Adelante, Koepsel,Astor, Arielle ?

or Nemesis : Adelante,Shogun and Judifax ?

isc sieger black males

http://www.dobermannpedigrees.nl/modules/pedigree/pedigree.php?pedid=184365

5 time a litter inside....................................


idc siegerin brom females

http://www.dobermannpedigrees.nl/modules/pedigree/pedigree.php?pedid=214202

4 time a litter inside

idc sieger brown males

http://www.dobermannpedigrees.nl/modules/pedigree/pedigree.php?pedid=191352

3 time a litter inside