Working Ability With Good Conformation!

Niro · Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:42 pm Post subject:

I forgot to mention this dog - i believe in this one - Don Diego Harten Kern Very Happy

He look very good with strong bones and a strong head, very correct in type (i see him @ the IDC this year) and more important he did one of the best performances @ the Koerung 2008 with 1A Wink

Some work breeders in Germany has used him and i think he for sure has something to offer - both to improve workabillity in show lines and improve the morphology in work lines - a F-Hiram son, and Hiram produce excellent dogs in both the traits and character for dog-sport and the correct type..

Weinberge · Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:47 pm Post subject:

Don't forgot Gelo Robis fantastic dog. Not soo numerouse descendants but ..still on cards. Already I hope that cards was multiplied Very Happy

Niro · Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:05 pm Post subject:

Niro · Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 8:44 pm Post subject:

In the Koerung 2009 - Enrico V Ferrenberg made a strong lasting impression and performance - best "distance attack" of the day together with Yankee Klingbach - though Enrico are maybe not "mothers prettiest" - But Gomez from the same kennel also did a very good Koerung (1A) he are good looking (enough) and from a well known bloodline - father Wanja Wandor and Gomez are inbreed 2-3 on Jivago W - could be something for use in breeding.. Very Happy

Does anyone know this dog - Arak Amaruk du Feu d'Aramon Question

- did a good performance in the Koerung - looks good - his father are a good son of Jivago mixed with Gino G C - but the mother-side of Arak are unknown to me - anybode know these dogs?

Weinberge · Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:06 pm Post subject:

Jano V Bayern - really a working dog , excelent conformation , great genetic, longevity, borned in 1998, still alive.

http://www.dobermannvereniging.nl/modules/pedigree/dog.php?id=4911

Niro · Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:59 pm Post subject:

Lucia · Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:49 am Post subject:

Weinberge · Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:26 am Post subject:

Camelot1 · Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:24 pm Post subject:

depends what you are looking for ..Niro is correct frankenhorst had a tendacy to produce dogs of a sharper disposition ..which would need a person who can control such dogs well
cheers

Niro · Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:43 pm Post subject:

Niro · Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:55 pm Post subject:

@Valencia - like Camelot say - it depends what y want - yes i do see that Arrow was very valuable for the breed (rtemember Jivago are inbreed on him) And Arrabella had quality i want not to be lost in the breed (in some dogs and respons hands - not in every ordinary Dobermann)

Btw - this CZ dog reminded me of something - since a breeder from CZ had been smart enough to use this stud in breeding - he## i forgot about the top-dog from my country Embarassed

hehe

- For y Valencia - Mezzrows Fabio Very Happy

- he has this click up & down Wink

He is friendly, stable, strong nerve and high workabillity - also a Swedish show CH - one of the best sons of Falk M Land in terms of work traits Smile

He has been in the top 8 the las years in IDC WCH (in 09 he was best male) In Norway he was nr 10 (if i remember correct) in IPO111 CH ALL BREEDS - he was ill that day @ competition - i think he could be top 5- if top condition - y find him in Ytube Valencia..Also Norway IPO111 CH

He only have 5-6 litters - not so far for breeders in Germany/Denmark/Baltic etc etc to go to southern Norway - his litter brother Flinta has promising litters in Sweeden - Flinta is only dog in Sweeden so far i think with 100p in protection work..

Ciao!

Weinberge · Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:12 pm Post subject:

Sorry I don't know directly Arrow Harrowsberg (1983-1988) line but even he is a IPO dog, I heard in some free discussions he has character/nervs problems.And about his sister Arrabela I heard she was a hard bitch.
I don't know if that is true , I don't know exactly the reason of their deaths (confirmed),....maybe they was beautiful but..their contribution in working/health is discutable.

Camelot1 · Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:11 pm Post subject:

Arrow was known to have a sharp character ..along with Vitesse v frankenhorst ..these things are not necesarily bad if in the right hands , and is not based through fear ..there is a very thin between sharpness , and fear ...one thing i agree if you got one of these type of dogs they can be a liabilty....however alot of these characteristics in these lines are most properly lost now
Hi Niro
As you know Maschio deux ..and these lines were known to be sharp ..do you or anyone have any first hand knowledge of an another known sharp dog Randy v Sabbatsveld
cheers

Weinberge · Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:34 pm Post subject:

I do not discuss about ant particular working line, because I don't know. I only comment some things which I observed on the working video.

I think my dog (from avatar) has a great advantage (comparativ with other old dogs or present dogs ) he has a fantastic and perfect click-up /down near a direct biting , open character and stable nervs.
I think this is mostly verry important working thing , near a 'native biting' and stable nervs on the new round dobermann construction .
The problem is the barrier of a special necessary genetically structure.

..partial message moved on Romanian topic.

BasKal · Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:36 pm Post subject:

I have some knowledge about Randy - from the breeder's mouth... Cool

He was a dominant dog, yes. A very full of himself animal - due to his genetics but also his early upbringing which was somewhat "different". I was a good friend to one of his daughters too, fron thε J diaspora litter. Great bitch.
A conformation champion, produced very good working dogs - her daughter was greek working siegerin and her son participated at the IDC working championships. The sire of them was Kiro v Treu.