Info about Pimms.

von Cosack Dobermann · Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:45 pm Post subject: Info about Pimms.

Before anyone becomes upset why I am posting this on a public forum the breeder and other breeders associated with the dog I am inquiring about have been contacted with no information returned. I am the owner of a Pimms son, thats why my inquiring has validity. I am not interested in speculation so please understand that unless facts are known that I have missed theres no reason for guesses.
I am sure theres other owners of get from this popular stud dog that have simular interests. I'm not a novice owner and have over 45 years of ownership with the Dobermann breed. Thank you for any information you may have to share. Your welcomed to pm or email if you prefer. Von

Weinberge · Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:23 pm Post subject:

Because you request the official result of autopsy , I recomand to you the next pamphlet Laughing

. Maybe will satisfy your curiosity.
I wish to you Easy Russian Roulette dear Cosack !

http://dobermann-talk.blogspot.com/2009/06/official-results-of-autopsys.html

von Cosack Dobermann · Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:43 pm Post subject:

I am not curious, I am concerned! As I stated if you have facts please respond if you don't, look away! If you can add information do so if you prefer to be a clown wait for a subject that has humor in it. Von.

Weinberge · Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:50 pm Post subject:

The FACTS are very clear dear Cosak.
Wish to you all the best in your searching . But I am afraid that you will never get the answers , because you refuse to open your eyes to find them .

P.S. I never was so seriouse and concerded like now.

von Cosack Dobermann · Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:00 pm Post subject:

"refuse to open my eyes" no riddles please! I have no time for childish talk. If you have something to add do so. If not move on. Von

von Cosack Dobermann · Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 6:50 pm Post subject:

I gave the thread this bump hoping someone might shed some light on Pimms passing so that the owners of his pups and get can be told the truth about his death. Hiding facts like this is ridiculous unless theres some kind of deceit involved and I hope thats not the case. How do we prepare the breed to evlove if death reasons are not disclosed!! If accidents or old injuries are the cause state it, if its dcm or other tragedies be truthful about it. How does the breed grow if these incidents are hidden away. Truths can be painfull but the hidding of facts is malice.
Pimms iz Doma Domeni---why did he leave us? His son Viho and I want to know. Von

Edgecrusher · Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:04 pm Post subject:

Dear "Von",

I fear that you will never get an public answer to your question. I think it´s clear how the business works. When you transferred your money you´ll become a "forgotten customer". It seems that most of the breeders keep spinning the wheel of abuse and silence. Welcome to the false Dobermann world.

Evil or Very Mad

bmgillespie · Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:26 pm Post subject:

In regards to this and some other deaths of popular studs. I would like to know if in Europe you can still sell sperm from deceased dogs. I heard in some countries you cannot and some you can. This and the cost of autopsy or whatever it is called for dogs ( I do not know if it is expensive)would be the only reason, I could see for not disclosing a dogs cause of death. The off spring are already out there an cannot be returned. Even if, you cannot afford or do not want to do or find out cause of death, you could say what happened accident or circumstances of death. As for the owners of off spring of these dogs, you should get every test you can on your dog and go from there because as someone already said you probably will never get a direct or factual answer. I am having every test known done to mine before I even consider breeding them. If they are all good then will I breed them, I plan to breed for health and character and let results take care of themselves. I live here in the U.S, so I am not as concerned about shows because we do not have many that Euro Dobermanns have a fair chance at winning. I would rather spend my money on the dogs then trying to buy a title.

von Cosack Dobermann · Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:38 pm Post subject:

I agree with your posts!!!! In this day and age when character is so important to this breed it seems a horrible circumstance that a few of the breeders also have a lack of character. The death of this dog is not an isolated event many dogs are passing and some of the breeders show heart and compassion by being truthfull and yet others show there truths by being silent. I've been involved with the Dobermann for my entire life and the breed has changed dramaticly but it seems the breeders are a different type also, very weak without character!! Von

Weinberge · Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:37 am Post subject:

Welcome to the "Club" Von Cosack ! Laughing

denissov43 · Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:39 am Post subject: Pimms Great Grand Daughter

Von,
I am curious about Pimms as well.. and I am suspect that he died of what we think he died of, but I do not think that Marina and Alex will be forthcoming about it, for fear of reprecussions, can you blame them?
There is so much talk and angry talk in Europe as I see here on this forum about DCM and how it happens, that I hardly think anyone will be forthcoming about that disease unless it leaks out involuntarily.
I am having my bitch DNA tested, and the Cardio/EKG/Doppler/Ultra sound test done next week...
I will be listing the findings on OFA... and the DNA data bank here in the USA.
Have you done any of that testing on your male?
I am curious...

von Cosack Dobermann · Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:19 pm Post subject:

Yes, I blame them totally for not being responsible to the people who own Pimms progeny. It takes TWO to produce pups so their part in the producing is only one side. When you promote an award winning dog and invite other people to use the dog in their production plans you are accepting the responsibility. Everything isn't always awards and acclaim there is the down side and heart break too. We want this breed to be healthy and have the proper character that means the people responsible for producing these animals must make themselves accountable. To mant people with a stud dog think that their involvement is not as responsible as the breeder (dams owner) thats just ridiculous!!!! In life you accept the good with the bad thats what wise people do. As I've stated before the lack of character in the people behind the dogs is very apparent, its not as if they wished harm or heart break on any one but the truths are what we need at this time and ALL the time. Von

von Cosack Dobermann · Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:30 pm Post subject:

I have Vwd tested (vet gen) (dna) and complete thyroid tests. Other than that nothing as of now. He has just turned 3 yrs old and I have no plans to breed him. He has decent conformation and his temperament is also pretty good but there are plenty of dogs just like him and I see no reason for more. I see more & more breeders EVERYWHERE breeding for the money alone. Breeders in Europe who were working hard at trying to develope their lines have fallen into the mass production litters. It's a shame and in Europe as in North America the quality in both conformation and temperament is falling fast. When you add in the health issues the breed is in very hard times. Sport breeders are concerned with character and their dogs look like mutts (not all but some) and the show breeders have character issues with nervous uneasy dogs who can't settle down on their own. They need to be directed to do the simplests tasks. If I were a younger man and in health I would say more and back it up with action but my time has past, the breed needs powerfull people who are honest to a fault to rescue this noble dog. I find the entire mess heart breaking!!! Von

Paul · Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:11 am Post subject: Pimms.......

I undersatnd your total frustration Von, it's bursting out all over this review. I dont know zilch about the Breed, all I know is what I have picked up along the way over the last 2 years. This DCM is terrible to the breed, I understand that, but what really upsets me are these greedy breeders, they will go to any lengths to get the schekel in the bank. I searched for my last puppy in Ireland, all the breeders I visited never knew a thing about DCM or so I understood. They all had the common factor of looking for top dollar, and that is why I went to the UK to buy Zico. All health tests are done and the breeder told me in his contract that I would always have a comback if I had a health problem with my puppy. I hope you get all the info you require Von, but in today's society, I doubt anyone will be forthcoming with what you want. I wish you the Best.
Paul

Paul · Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:11 am Post subject: Pimms.......

I undersatnd your total frustration Von, it's bursting out all over this review. I dont know zilch about the Breed, all I know is what I have picked up along the way over the last 2 years. This DCM is terrible to the breed, I understand that, but what really upsets me are these greedy breeders, they will go to any lengths to get the schekel in the bank. I searched for my last puppy in Ireland, all the breeders I visited never knew a thing about DCM or so I understood. They all had the common factor of looking for top dollar, and that is why I went to the UK to buy Zico. All health tests are done and the breeder told me in his contract that I would always have a comback if I had a health problem with my puppy. I hope you get all the info you require Von, but in today's society, I doubt anyone will be forthcoming with what you want. I wish you the Best.
Paul