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Now..let see who is Son of O'Brien DE LA VILLA DE CHANNES
Furstenfeld in colum 7 of pedigree 
Brian Forell, son of Furstenfeld in column 6
Germania in column 8
Doberhill in 7
Have more genetical power like Nitro .
Pure gold based by the best old kennel ,Diaspora, Verdiano, Doberhill, Nordenn Stamm, Roveline, Baron Bryan, Hargos Vantij, Guntenhorst, one line developed paralel with actual line.
Have by 9 times first genetical determination in HERTOG ALPHA V LE DOBRY first 4 time in column 4 and 5 .
One ancestral dog champion in beauty and Mondioring. HD-1A, health test, ZTP V1A.
This is the dog who NEVER not mate in France and world say "not exist other good lines "  I do not say more.
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Because we talk about Vento Furstenfeld  i show few picture with ancestors of Son O'Brian.
PANCO V. HAGENSTERN (Mooreiche lines )
DOBERHILL -many names and litters
GISELLE V D VESTE OTZBERG in Doberhill lines
GOGO V.D. VESTE OTZBERG daughter of Vello Furstenfeld only in Doberhill lines
HEINO V.D. VESTE OTZBERG
GUNTHERSFORST CARMEN daughter of EROS Furstenfeld and GOLDINE Furstenfeld
EROS Furstenfeld
GOLDINE Furstenfeld
GUNTENHORST JASMIN
TRAJAN V. HAGENSTERN
TEBE and TAIGA V. NORDEN STAMM
GUNTHERSFORST TOSKA
AKERON VON SILVERKROHN
BORIS V. HERKULES son of ARTUS V. HAGENSTOLZ and DOLLI V. ANDREASSTIFT
ESPE V.D. VESTE OTZBERG -HERTOG CONAN V. MANENSHEIDE lines
I do not understand why this male mate only in his kennel and other lines fill the world.
Maybe majority of breeders like to have what have all around them and not have importance if rare lines will be lost forever .
Next time nobody not can say "i do not know". What know? IDC title? Is only one, will be yours? Only this mean dobermann breed? OK!..No problem !
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This is rare ancestors of Son O'Brien.
ADOLF V. HILTJE MOUISWALDEN (LUIT V. RODENAER x SCHARLETT (NHSB 227520))
AIKA DE ROUGE-SANG (FLEGON FALEK V. DIASPORA x PAMELA DE ROUGE SANG)
AKERON VON SILVERKROHN (HASSAN V. NORDEN STAMM x TEBE V. NORDEN STAMM)
AMOS V. FRANCKENHORST (POMPIE DUTCH DICTATOR x VIVRE VIVIEN V FRANCKENHORST)
ARMIN MECKIE V. ROTEN FELD (MECKIE V. FÜRSTENFELD x BRENDA V. EICHENHAIN)
ASCHA V.D. TWEE BEKEN (AJAX V.D. HEEZERHEIDE x FRIEDAH (NHSB 240867))
ASHMORE PRIDE-POACHER (GIOVANNI'S DION-DYNAMIC x DOBERGUARD'S JENNY)
AXEL AACHEN VILJA DES LANDRYS (FAENIAN FENRIS V. DIASPORA x VILJA V. FRANCKENHORST)
BERENIKE DES DUCHES DE BAR (BJÖRN V. STOKEBRAND x HONDA DI STEFUSO)
BRASSICA V. SILVERKROHN (HEINO V.D. VESTE OTZBERG x LINDI (N 01597/79))
CANDIDA V.D. MARWERTSTERDIJK (CAECILIUS CASSANDER V. DIASPORA x JAPKE V. FRIESLANDS GLORIE)
CELONN DE MINGOVAL (HELONN V. FRANCKENHORST x AIKA DE ROUGE-SANG)
CH. FAYGOR FEDOR VON RÄUBERSTO (HARGOS V.H. WANTIJ x AXEL AACHEN VILJA DES LANDRYS)
CH. O'BRIEN DE FASSANO (OWER DI STEFUSTO x TOPSY VAN'T LIETHOHOF)
CHRISTOPHE DI STEFUSTO (THOMAS DEL VERDIANO x RINETTE DEL VERDIANO)
CINDARELLA V. FRIESLANDS GLORI (BONNY BOY V.D. DOBERBOX x DORA V. HILTJE MOUISWALDEN)
COURGHA DE FASSANO (HERTOG ALPHA V LE DOBRY x ENNY DI STEFUSTO)
DOBERGUARD'S BALDER (NICEDOBS CESAR x ZISKO (N 14265/85))
DOBERGUARD'S JARISCH (DOBERGUARD'S BALDER x LORRETTA-LYNN V. ROVELINE)
DOBERGUARD'S JENNY (DOBERGUARD'S BALDER x LORRETTA-LYNN V. ROVELINE)
DOBERHILL BLACK FALK (DOBERHILL BLACK CITTO x DOBERHILL BLACK MARSCHA)
DOBERHILL BLACK FATIMA (DOBERHILL BLACK CITTO x DOBERHILL BLACK MARSCHA)
DOBERHILL BLACK MINNA (GUY'S HILO V. NORDEN STAMM x GISELLE V D VESTE OTZBERG)
DOBERHILL BLACK NICE-NEMESIS (DOBERHILL BLACK UNIQUE CASE x DOBERHILL BLACK MINNA)
DOBERHILL BLACK NOVA (DOBERHILL BLACK UNIQUE CASE x DOBERHILL BLACK MINNA)
DOBERHILL BLACK VIX (HEINO V.D. VESTE OTZBERG x DOBERHILL BLACK FATIMA)
DORA V. HILTJE MOUISWALDEN (ADOLF V. HILTJE MOUISWALDEN x ESTHER V. IRANIA)
EIKA DU CLOS DES NARITZ (CELONN DE MINGOVAL x BERENIKE DES DUCHES DE BAR)
ELEKTRA ELEALE V DIASPORA (ZVOTEK ZEPHANJA V DIASPORA x THAMAR TARA V. DIASPORA)
ELISABETH DI STEFUSTO (DON DAYAN V FRANCKENHORST x TOPSY DEL VERDIANO)
ENNY DI STEFUSTO (CHRISTOPHE DI STEFUSTO x FALETTE DEL VERDIANO)
ESSIE V. SILVERKROHN (AKERON VON SILVERKROHN x BRASSICA V. SILVERKROHN)
ESTHER V. IRANIA (RADO V. FÜRSTENFELD x GRAVIN ASTRID V. MARIOUWBORGH)
FAENIAN FENRIS V. DIASPORA (CAECILIUS CASSANDER V. DIASPORA x ERE-IRIS-EZRA V. DIASPORA)
FRESCO'S NITSCHA NINETTE (DOBERHILL BLACK VIX x DOBERHILL BLACK NOVA)
GIOVANNI'S DION-DYNAMIC (JACQUES V. ROVELINE x FRESCO'S NITSCHA NINETTE)
GRAVIN ASTRID V. MARIOUWBORGH (HERTOG BUCO V. STOLTENBORG x ASCHA V.D. TWEE BEKEN)
GUNTHERSFORST TOSKA (ZAR V. FORELL x GUNTHERSFORST JASMIN)
GUY'S HASSO V. NORDEN STAMM (BRYAN V. FORELL x GUNTHERSFORST BURGA)
HAGGAI HASJANA V. DIASPORA (BJÖRN V. STOKEBRAND x CANDIDA V.D. MARWERTSTERDIJK)
HASSAN V. NORDEN STAMM (LEX VON TRABEN x TAIGA V. NORDEN STAMM)
HEINO V.D. VESTE OTZBERG (CHICO V. FORELL x FRIGGA V.D. VESTE OTZBERG)
HELONN V. FRANCKENHORST (AMOS V. FRANCKENHORST x POMPIE DUTCH DEWI)
HEUSS V. RODENAER
HONDA DI STEFUSO (CHRISTOPHE DI STEFUSTO x ELISABETH DI STEFUSTO)
JACQUES V. ROVELINE (HERTOG ALPHA V LE DOBRY x HATTIE V ROVELINE)
JADE DE L'AVELLIERE (CHICO V. FORELL x VEGA DE LA MORLIERE)
JAPKE V. FRIESLANDS GLORIE (ERO V FRANCKENHORST x CINDARELLA V. FRIESLANDS GLORIE)
JULIETTEVILLES GELLA (PANCO V. HAGENSTERN x ORIENNE V. HAGENSTERN)
LADY LUCILLE FAY DU CASTEL TOL (CH. FAYGOR FEDOR VON RÄUBERSTOLZ x EIKA DU CLOS DES NARITZ)
LEX VON TRABEN (UHLAN DES CORY CANTES x REJANE DU VAL SE MAY)
LINDI (N 01597/79) (GUY'S HASSO V. NORDEN STAMM x TEBE V. NORDEN STAMM)
LORD ROYAL BELL (GRAF GUIDO V. FRANCKENHORST x ESMIR ROYAL BELL)
LORRETTA-LYNN V. ROVELINE (ALI V. LANGENHORST x HIYA HEBE V. ROVELINE)
LUIT V. RODENAER (HEUSS V. RODENAER x PIA V. SYLVESTER)
LYXIA LIGHT VON RÄUBERSTOLZ (LORD ROYAL BELL x ELEKTRA ELEALE V DIASPORA)
MOKA FAY DU CASTEL TOLOSANE (CH. FAYGOR FEDOR VON RÄUBERSTOLZ x LADY LUCILLE FAY DU CASTEL TOLOSANE)
NICEDOBS CESAR (DOBERHILL BLACK FALK x DOBERHILL BLACK NICE-NEMESIS)
ORIENNE V. HAGENSTERN (ARMIN MECKIE V. ROTEN FELD x DONA V. EICHENHAIN)
OWER DI STEFUSTO (LUCIFER V ROVELINE x COURGHA DE FASSANO)
PAMELA DE ROUGE SANG (ALDO V. FERROLHEIM x JADE DE L'AVELLIERE)
PHAROS MOKA DU CASTEL TOLOSANE (MOKA FAY DU CASTEL TOLOSANE x LYXIA LIGHT VON RÄUBERSTOLZ)
PIA V. SYLVESTER (EMIR V. HIRSCHFELD x MONI V. SYLVESTER)
PICADOR JULIETTE (TRAJAN V. HAGENSTERN x JULIETTEVILLES GELLA)
PICADOR ULRIK (N 19374/81) (PANCO V. HAGENSTERN x PICADOR JULIETTE)
REINE DE HANNLUC DE FLOAX
REJANE DU VAL SE MAY
SCHARLETT (NHSB 227520) (HEUSS V. RODENAER x STELLAA (NHSB 206551))
STELLAA (NHSB 206551)
TAIGA V. NORDEN STAMM (GUY'S HILO V. NORDEN STAMM x GUNTHERSFORST TOSKA)
TEBE V. NORDEN STAMM (GUY'S HILO V. NORDEN STAMM x GUNTHERSFORST TOSKA)
THAMAR TARA V. DIASPORA (BJÖRN V. STOKEBRAND x FABIANA FUSCIANA V. DIASPORA)
TOPSY DEL VERDIANO (DON DAYAN V FRANCKENHORST x DOBRA DEL VERDIANO)
TOPSY VAN'T LIETHOHOF (ASHMORE PRIDE-POACHER x DOBERGUARD'S JARISCH)
TRAJAN V. HAGENSTERN (NERO V. HAGENSTERN x DONA V. EICHENHAIN)
UHLAN DES CORY CANTES (ERO V. HAGENSTERN x REINE DE HANNLUC DE FLOAX)
VEGA DE LA MORLIERE (EARL V. FORELL x YPSI V. FORELL)
VILJA V. FRANCKENHORST (NIMROD HILO V FRANCKENHORST x MEDINA DEI PIANI DI PRAGLIA)
ZISKO (N 14265/85) (PICADOR ULRIK (N 19374/81) x ESSIE V. SILVERKROHN)
ZVOTEK ZEPHANJA V DIASPORA (BARON BRYAN V. HARRO'S BERG x HAGGAI HASJANA V. DIASPORA)
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| Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:37 am Post subject: |
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Naturally dear Professeur, if not there are sons, not exist line 
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| Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:58 am Post subject: |
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NO, you are BIG PROFESSER 
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| Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| Carlos2006 wrote: | | Naturally dear Professeur, if not there are sons, not exist line |
You understand.
To be exactly, not have many sons in present generation comparative with other ancestors who have presence in all actual pedigree.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:18 am Post subject: |
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| Valencia wrote: | And i am not Professor  |
Your problem is this, if we want to speak seriously;
I understand, that it is a lot important to know the descendents of the modern Dobermann, but you would have to today understand that the evolution of the Dobermann race, have the base on new lines of blood, that have already demonstrated their exellent reproduction and I do not understan because your eyes, do not see this new situation, but you see only in the past
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| Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:42 am Post subject: |
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Nope.
I know and study very well all present champion and lines. But in my search i start with past.
Is easy for me to go and mate with one champion. This make all breeders.
I have my teory. We will see if i wrong or not. I think one present great performance is based by great blood and basic old lines.
My next intention is to use one strong genetical males -out line breeding- to have one strong base. My next step is to have base and keep one female. For me the base is important. Without base is like one painter who need to paint without colors. And my colors need to be specials and rare.
After this i will mate at present champion. Is time for my paint. Now i work at background, at part with nobody not see at finish.
*Now, if you look at my puppy you can see old Romanian blood? No. This is only background. I sense i need more strong base to resist at next steps, because i already apreciate next steps. Maybe i wrong, but i paint. This is all.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:57 am Post subject: |
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| Carlos2006 wrote: | | I do not understan because your eyes, do not see this new situation, but you see only in the past |
I see very well all and i see and problems very fast.
BE sure i only search the past to understand or secure present. My eyes and my mind is in future.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:33 pm Post subject: valencia |
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| Carlos2006 wrote: | | Valencia wrote: | | And i am not Professor |
Your problem is this, if we want to speak seriously;
I understand, that it is a lot important to know the descendents of the modern Dobermann, but you would have to today understand that the evolution of the Dobermann race, have the base on new lines of blood, that have already demonstrated their exellent reproduction and I do not understan because your eyes, do not see this new situation, but you see only in the past |
Got point, Carlos.Valencia live`s in sixtye`s.
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