Last 10 years - Principal lines

Weinberge · Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:54 am Post subject: Last 10 years - Principal lines

Last 10 years, in my opinion, make one big evolution and change dobermann face.This change have one cost -but the results is great-, i think because is very quickly and have again(like 70 years) high inbreeding coefficient after few slowly years. I think is normal this sinusoidal evolution, and in next years all lines will asimilate this new looking.

Yesterday i see 2 old dobermanns in my town without pedigree.This two dobermann is the result of many generation low inbreeding in old lines , without new blood infusion, and keep all ancestral character. Is similar like i see two furstenfeld dog alive Shocked

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I see in front page present mating, i like the result. Only two thing not like.
Breeders continue to make inbreeding with lines with past DCM problems and i not like eyes.

Is round. Too much round eyes or pig eyes. If this problem persist and in next years, finally all dobermanns will be have round eyes and will have the 3-th eyelid visible.
About perfect head tipicity not big problems because this tipicity can be changed but i think need attention at laden (pitbull head) head because this faults resist many generation.

jotunheim · Last edited by jotunheim on Mon May 30, 2011 6:00 pm; edited 1 time in total

jotunheim · Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 2:17 pm Post subject:

Camelot1 · Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 2:59 pm Post subject:

ok i give you my opinion ..the head looks quite good ..and yes must have furstenfeld there ...i tell you where i see it in the eyes ....it be better though if the skull was abit more flatter ...and muzzle needs more length....then a really nice head ....though the big tan markings on the chest are for sure not a furstenfeld sign ....but you have mixed ....and your furstenfeld bitch was mixed ....val called you more a forrell breeder .
.i would call you more an ellendonk breeder ,..if furstenfeld is close to this male ...then he should go with a bitch that has the blood and ability to bring it out more ...

BasKal · Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 12:13 am Post subject:

...Short head, very weak underjaw, wide scull - excellent parallelism, a sweet dog. I dont see Furstenfeld in his appearance.
It is great that he reached this age.

Camelot1 · Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 1:05 am Post subject:

hi baskal

are we talking about the same dog here ...as bitten removed the pic ..i think its diffrent from the one val had

BasKal · Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 1:33 am Post subject:

I speak about Bittens dog - I have his pictures in my server.
I dont think that his scull could be flatter bytheway, but I think that it is wide. Not in the same mode as in Quirinus type heads but still wide. His eyes are good shaped but placed horizontally.

Camelot1 · Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 11:11 am Post subject:

Hi Baskal

Yeah the photo was at a funny angle ...the quick glance of it i saw the expression of the eyes said furstenfeld ...even though as you mentioned there was faults....i saw Bingo v ellendonk in him ..who of course is a mixture of ellendonk and furstenfeld ..and bitten dogs are really all distant inbred to him ..yes he was a dog with faults ....but his primary motive was to improve the working abilty...which really is what ellendonk was all about ...not really the show world ...very difficult to combine the both worlds

Camelot1 · Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 11:23 am Post subject:

not a clear picture ..but .i can see a likeness
http://www.100megsfree4.com/dobermann/bingoell.htm

Camelot1 · Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 11:39 am Post subject:

must also remember bingo also had chico v forrell in him....the faults of chico will also appear such as the heavier skull ..shorter muzzle ...and maybe the the roman nose....he may bring good character ,,,but the faults also with conflict ....while true furstenfeld breeding avoids chico ...

jotunheim · Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 12:40 pm Post subject:

Neither of you really can see past the ears - I did not put up the photo for you to critize - this male is ALIVE and KICKING - at 10½, and he doesn't even look his age, far from .... Does he has faults, yes he does, any dog do.

Camelot1 · Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 1:24 pm Post subject:

no one mentioned the ears infact i imagined them up ...then i saw bingo in him ....so is my male 10 years in a few months ...so are others i should imagine ,,,,no one can make a critique no ...but your allowed to make one on a little puppy ...and get your little comment in where is the mastiff blood ..typical

ins0mnia · Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 3:19 pm Post subject:

You **** morons; how many of your dogs survive to be at this age and looking this good?

And what the **** do you know about Fürstenfeld you're so damn clueless and still call yourself breeders. Do some homework for once.

jotunheim · Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 3:26 pm Post subject:

BasKal · Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 5:04 pm Post subject:

I must say that I have great respect for Jotunheim breeding. I admire people who go their way and they are not influenced by trends. I am not here to be negative. The dog is a good specimen visually - any deviation from an "ideal" is slight and not bigger than the average deviation of a usual Champion dog from it. I must congratulate the breeder for his quality and health.
It is great that he is still here with us.