THE OLD LINES RETURN

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I found this: http://www.dobermann-iz-zoosfery.ru/dobermanns-new.shtml

"Looking back 1 can remember many a Russian Doberman that would not be a shame today, though they obviously differ from the modern ring winners.
In 1971 in the frame of the World Game Fair (Budapest. Hungary) the Dog World Show was held. Perhaps the leading western kennels did not participate, but there were a lot of dogs from different countries. Unexpectedly, the USSR government half opened the 'curtain' for a moment. Five Dobermans from the USSR, together with their owners, were sent to Hungary. The dog from Poland Idzi (Graf x Dina) and Hungarian dog Niki (Rogdaj x Bara) were also among the participants. Both of them were born in Moscow. All these Dobermans were placed in the finals...."

Niki
I search about Niki by 2 years. Sovarady Anni have Niki blood.
Russian old tradition in Sovarady blood. I have Russian spirit at my home
I will ask Mr Rozenberg about this.

They renounce? No ! They will not renounce because Russian spirit like Sovarady never renounce.
Like Sovarady i have and some Russian genes in my blood -my grand grand mother lines

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Because Niky (547) appear in Vereignin by 2 time -one time introduced by me from my old pedigree and infos , and this is contestated - i will show other prove : same Niky(547) introduced by Jovinik

http://www.dobermannvereniging.nl/modules/pedigree/dog.php?id=71292

I will say at this mans: blood not transform in water !

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I receive this:

'In the late 1980 DDR dogs went to Russia. The old russian lines are death also the old ddr lines. I look for many times after 3 years of searching for old russian lines and there health i gave it up. All is death. But when i read that these dogs lived until 13-14 years i'm very angry with the present situation '

Focus , now you understand?
Is time to GO! again , mother Russia waiting from you.
But CHOICE RIGHT ! You choice right all time.

[Weinberge]

If something ask me 4 my preferance what have Russian blood i can response:

Nicki (547)
Fedor del Nasi - have russian old line
Pimm's Number One
Pathos Quarce Nere

[Weinberge]

I make one research again. Because i like history i am interested to know who imprim particularity of El Greco line in comparation with other line.
What have El Greco soo diferent by other dogs and other Romanian lines of these years?

For sure, first i already say Sovarady, first female. But i think maybe decision was too sentimental.
And i search again what is the key who appear at 3-4 dobermanns and not have others.

More exactly i compare Aris from Cobra kennel -named by owner 'the dogs of my life', my Night and super brother Hann and Cormos their super-father , Cenk Assarum El Greco(Jack) -the best of them.

In the other hand Afra de Aranka, Nevada dogs, Aris Megyasreme, Dino and why not and my Arena -who with sincerity not can compare with first even she have genes but i sense strong influence of Dino -I say only few from principal lines of these years.

All of them have Weinberge .

To be more exactly i reffer at best of them : Cenk Assarum e Greco.
Genetical inbreeding was in Furstenfeld via Guy's Hilo, Gissele Otsberg, Weinberge and Ariel dounatal. But this line have and second group.

I see clear the difference:
Sovarady is only one brench who have Belvarosi line. More exactly i see 4 keys in Belvarosi Sonja Claudia and Belvarosi Silvio Lord , both of them with this unknow russian Nicky father.

1.Sovarady the maternal base have only one key via Silvio Lord .

2.Second key was Zelilaki Anda (Doberhill Earl Song and Naplemente Asta Lion). Naplemente Asta was second key in one directly Weinberge combination with Sonja Claudia, Nicky dauther)

3.Valdiomora Boston Pluto have double Nicky key via same Naplemente
Borec(Ariel Dounatal x Belvarosi Sonja Claudia) and maternal via Tormasi Brigitta Bessy - Nicky dauther.

All roads go at Nicky, Nicky is the diference .I think i suppose corect wen i say Weinberge & Sovarady but if i look more back is more exactly to say Weinberge & Nicky via Belvarosi Sonja and Silvio.

Now , hen all is deadly, i ask myself if i will can revive this genes.I sense this gene again, not exactly how exist in past but exist and have power.I not have many posibilities but i have one. I not know, i will see.

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Other Russian old line near AMI COBRA (one Furstenfeld female) is ZHARRET DIAMANT .
I like this female PLAYGIRL DE GRANDE VINKO (BARON NIKE dauther x GR. SHANEL-SAN DE VINKO dauther of MAUVRIERS MUSTAFA STANGZU & AK-YAR ANDROMEDA)


COOLBOY DE GRANDE VINKO comme from URBANO x PLAYGIRL DE GRANDE VINKO .

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I found this:

Barselona Brava iz Doma Domeni(Fedor del Nasi x Barselona iz Doma Domeni)

And i found this via Nestle Malin

Bara RKF 1953-(PITER (K-2) x JUKKA) - 1953
Bara was and mother of Niky. I know his head very well. For sure is not one empty head.
Other brench is via PURSH ANKOR via FIDZHI MAURY via YUMONA DIAMANT and ZHARRET DIAMANT.
More exactly Grande Vinko and Fedor del Nasi.

I will be little more exactly with Bara line (all brench) :

AARON STAR OF BEDEA (ADAMANT DE GRANDE VINKO x TAHI REME TRINITI)
ADAMANT DE GRANDE VINKO (TIGR IZ SLAVNOI STAI x AK-YAR ANDROMEDA)
ADEL ADRIANA DE GRANDE VINKO (BARON NIKE RENEWAL x AK-YAR ANDROMEDA)
AICK (GESS (RKF ) x ATRIX V.MELCHOVER ZEE)
AK-YAR ANDROMEDA (LARSON V. FRANKENLAND x AK-YAR SHAGRELLI)
AK-YAR ORHIDEYA (HERTOG CONAN V. MANENSHEIDE x ZHARRET DIAMANT)
AK-YAR SHAGRELLI (CINO V. WALDECK x ZHARRET DIAMANT)
AK-YAR TARANTELLA (NAORSON V. BRANDENBURG x AK-YAR ORHIDEYA)
AKIRA VOM SCHIWAGO (COMO JIVONO DI MATARIO x HISKA V. H. VANDERFECHT)
AKUNA MATATA DE GRANDE VINKO (TIGR IZ SLAVNOI STAI x AK-YAR ANDROMEDA)
ALEX TROLL TREFF BLACK (EVEMATTI BLACK DASH x ALSOFALUSI CEDA LADY MONA)
ALFA BLACK MAGIC CRISTAL (ALSOFALUSI CARLO x CANDA V FREIDORT)
ALISIA DE VINKO (BARON NIKE RENEWAL x AK-YAR ANDROMEDA)
ALSOFALUSI CARLO (VALDIMORA BOSTON PLUTO x NAPRAFARO ALIZ)
ALSOFALUSI CEDA LADY MONA (VALDIMORA BOSTON PLUTO x NAPRAFARO ALIZ)
AMADA EL VALAHO (GRAFF TILLA V NEERLANDS STAM x MASA EL VALAHO)
AMADEYA DE GRANDE VINKO (TIGR IZ SLAVNOI STAI x AK-YAR ANDROMEDA)
AMANDO (ASIR DE TIFFANA x AMI ARIS)
AMERA DIANA KRONAG (MUNDIAN GOX x LADY DE TOMIS)
AMI ARIS (AYRAC DE ALBAC x AMY CESSYA)
ANGYALVARI BLACK CARDINAL (DOBERHILL BLACK EARL SONG x ZELILAKI ANDA)
ANGYALVARI BLACK CHERRY QUEEN (DOBERHILL BLACK EARL SONG x ZELILAKI ANDA)
ARANY-SARCANY ANDHRA (CABO Z LESNATEHO CRAJA x NAPLEMENTE ARRY)
ARANY-SARCANY BENETT (ARIEL V. DONAUTAL x NAPLEMENTE ARRY)
ARANY-SARCANY DARLAN (ARANY-SARCANY BENETT x DOBERHILL BLACK ELFI)
ARANY-SARCANY EBRE (DOBERHILL BLACK FALK x NAPLEMENTE ARRY)
ARANY-SARCANY HELGA (ARANY-SARCANY ROXAN RUDI x ARANY-SARKANY VIKI)
ARANY-SARCANY ROXAN RUDI (DOBERHILL BLACK EARL SONG x ARANY-SARKANY HORA)
ARANY-SARKANY COLIN (STANICE AMOR x NAPLEMENTE ARRY)
ARANY-SARKANY DAIMOS (ARANY-SARCANY ROXAN RUDI x ARANY-SARKANY VIDA SUTI)
ARANY-SARKANY DIDO (ARANY-SARCANY BENETT x DOBERHILL BLACK ELFI)
ARANY-SARKANY HORA (DOBERHILL BLACK FALK x ARANY-SARKANY DIDO)
ARANY-SARKANY PICK ARGOS (SAPO V. HAGENSTERN x ARANY-SARKANY HORA)
ARANY-SARKANY SANETT (ARANY-SARKANY DAIMOS x ARANY-SARKANY ROMY)
ASANTHE (RO) (CONDOR ZAMOLXE x DOLLY-BLAK DE BLACK DORGET)
ASIR DE TIFFANA (ARANY-SARCANY DARLAN x EVEMATTI BLACK DORA)
ASTA V.D. DOBERMANNSTADT (NAPLEMENTE BORDO x CILLY V.D. HEIDE)
ATENA (ARANY-SARCANY DARLAN x DORA SCHWARZWALD)
ATREYO DE GRANDE VINKO (TIGR IZ SLAVNOI STAI x AK-YAR ANDROMEDA)
AXY SEXY QUEEN (BENGAL DOSITRI x BRITTA DE TESSPRIM)
AYRAC DE ALBAC (ARANY-SARCANY DARLAN x ADA (COR 102/143))
BARSELONA BRAVA IZ DOMA DOMENI (FEDOR DEL NASI x BARSELONA IZ DOMA DOMENI)
BARSELONA IZ DOMA DOMENI (PIMM'S NUMBER ONE IZ DOMA DOMENI x NESTLE MALIN UTA
UNA)
BELLA AMINDRA EL GRECO ( x NELSA DE TOMIS)
BELLA BARONESSE EL VALAHO (WILD FIRE INFINITE IDOL x IMPALA BRUNIA BOSKA)
BELVAROSI SILVIO LORD (NICKI (547) x FATMA FATI Z GORY PRZMYSLAWA)
BELVAROSI SONJA CLAUDIA (NICKI (547) x FATMA FATI Z GORY PRZMYSLAWA)
BENGAL DOSITRI (ALEX TROLL TREFF BLACK x AMERA DIANA KRONAG)
BEST OF ISLAND 2007 (RAUL BEST OF ISLAND x SARA BEST OF ISLAND)
BLACK AMPARO EL GRECO ( x NELSA DE TOMIS)
BLANCHÉ V. HAUS VANDERFECHT (BARON BRYAN V. HARRO'S BERG x MANON V. SCHLOSS
GROSSAU)
BONY BLACK AMETHIST (IRMA) (CLIFF COR1044/143 x GENESIS COR 717/143)
BRAV DE ASBOTH (DINO V. VIENERWALD x BRITTA DE TESSPRIM)
BRISTOT GIPSY (AMANDO x WOLFENBUTTEL BLACK VERON)
BRISTOT Y.G. RO.CH. (GRAAF BOLERO V RAMELER MARKE x WINBERGER ANITA)
BRITTA DE TESSPRIM (MUNDIAN GORSIM x ATENA)
BRUNO DE FIAMMA (CERO CENZO EL VALAHO x BELLA BARONESSE EL VALAHO)
CANDA V FREIDORT (DOBERHILL BLACK EARL SONG x ARANY-SARCANY ANDHRA)
CARMA DE TESSPRIM (BRAVO x ATENA)
CARMEN VOM SCHIWAGO (AMOR EXTRA MORAVAK x AKIRA VOM SCHIWAGO)
CERO CENZO EL VALAHO (BRISTOL ZAMOLXIS x WILD FIRE ILESA INZA)
COOLBOY DE GRANDE VINKO (URBANO DEL DIAMANTE NERO x PLAYGIRL DE GRANDE VINKO)
CORSICA PUMA EL GRECO (JESTER BEAU WILLIAM x NELSA DE TOMIS)
DAF JOANA (PURSH ANKOR x LAV SEDZHI)
DE GRANDE VINKO PHANTASY (BARON NIKE RENEWAL x GRAFINJA SHANEL-SAN DE VINKO)
DEL PALAZZO DI SHANTA ( x SERGIUS ALEXANDRIJA SVELTANA)
DEMON (COR249\143) (ANGYALVARI BLACK CARDINAL x FRIDA DE SANTA BARBARA)
DINA DE TESSPRIM (BRAV DE ASBOTH x CARMA DE TESSPRIM)
DOLLY-BLAK DE BLACK DORGET (BRISTOT Y.G. RO.CH. x FERA DE TARTOKILLER)
DROLL COR252/143 (ANGYALVARI BLACK CARDINAL x FRIDA DE SANTA BARBARA)
ENTONI DE GRANDE VINKO (BOMBASTIC V. HANSEATEN x GRAFINJA SHANEL-SAN DE VINKO)
EOL-ELISIR DE KRONAG (MUNDIAN GOX x LADY DE TOMIS)
ERMIN DE GRANDE VINKO (PLUTO DE GRANDE VINKO x GR. SHNUPSE DE VINKO)
EVEMATTI BLACK DASH (DOBERHILL BLACK EARL SONG x ZELILAKI ANDA)
EVEMATTI BLACK DORA (DOBERHILL BLACK EARL SONG x ZELILAKI ANDA)
FANTAZIA DEL NASI (BARON NIKE RENEWAL x AKUNA MATATA DE GRANDE VINKO)
FANTEZIA DEL NASI (BARON NIKE RENEWAL x AKUNA MATATA DE GRANDE VINKO)
FEDOR DEL NASI (BARON NIKE RENEWAL x AKUNA MATATA DE GRANDE VINKO)
FIDZHI MAURY (MAKSIM-VIOL x DAF JOANA)
FONETTA DE FIAMMA (CERO CENZO EL VALAHO x BELLA BARONESSE EL VALAHO)
GENESIS COR 717/143 (DROLL COR252/143 x NANCY COR 383/143)
GESS (RKF ) (GOBI (RKF) x GELMA (RKF))
GOBI (RKF) (DZHON (K-3) x BARA)
GOLD DRACHEN ARGI (GAMOR V. HERMANSJOMAIK x ARANY-SARCANY HELGA)
GR. SHANEL-SAN DE VINKO (MAUVRIERS MUSTAFA STANGZU x AK-YAR ANDROMEDA)
GR. SHNUPSE DE VINKO (MAUVRIERS MUSTAFA STANGZU x AK-YAR ANDROMEDA)
GRAF GRATO LE MALIN (GRAF GUIDO V. FRANCKENHORST x FIDZHI MAURY)
GRAFIC LINE ANTEY (MODUS OST AVIATOR ACE x ROSSIISKIY KOLORIT AELITA)
GRAFINJA SHANEL-SAN DE VINKO (MAUVRIERS MUSTAFA STANGZU x AK-YAR ANDROMEDA)
GRAFINYA GALAKTIKA LE MALIN (GRAF GUIDO V. FRANCKENHORST x FIDZHI MAURY)
GRETA BETELGES (FEDOR DEL NASI x VIRGINIA BETELGES)
H DE GRANDE VINKO (TERALINE INDIGO x PLAYGIRL DE GRANDE VINKO)
HAZEL V. SCHLOSS GROSSAU (BRONCO V.D. DREI BIRKEN x WEGA V. SCHLOSS GROSSAU)
HAZY DREAM DE GRANDE VINKO (ATREYO DE GRANDE VINKO x MAXIMA DE GRANDE VINKO)
HELIOS NIGHT (SZAKRON DURO CORMOS x LEE SIERRA DELPHY)
HESSEN DI CASA GIARDINO (FEDOR DEL NASI x ASIAANGEL DI CASA GIARDINO)
HISKA V. H. VANDERFECHT (GAMON DI CAMPOVALANO x BLANCHÉ V. HAUS VANDERFECHT)
IMPERATOR DE GRANDE VINKO (WILLOW BETELGES x AK-YAR ANDROMEDA)
JACK EL GRECO (JESTER BEAU WILLIAM x NELSA DE TOMIS)
JESTER BEAU WILLIAM (ANGYALVARI BLACK CARDINAL x JENNIS (COR38/143))
KALINKA V. SCHLOSS GROSSAU (NICKI (547) x SANDRA V. DIANASTAMM)
KIRA KISS EL VALAHO - CAYA JARED (COME AS YOU ARE JARED x KIRA KISS EL VALAVO)
KIRA KISS EL VALAVO (CERO CENZO EL VALAHO x HUMANA VOODOO MAJESTY)
KIYA KALIFORNIYA FROM SPLENDID FEMILI (GRAAF QUIRINUS V. NEERLANDS STAM x
YUMONA DIAMANT)
KUNDO KILL EL VALAHO (CERO CENZO EL VALAHO x HUMANA VOODOO MAJESTY)
LADY DE TOMIS ( x SOVARADY ANNI)
LEE SIERRA DELPHY (DROLL COR252/143 x CORSICA PUMA EL GRECO)
MANON V. SCHLOSS GROSSAU (GRAAF ARISTO V NEERLANDS STAMM x HAZEL V. SCHLOSS
GROSSAU)
MASA EL VALAHO (BRISTOT Y.G. RO.CH. x VALENCIA ARENA)
MAXIMA DE GRANDE VINKO (TAYLER MAGIK ZEST x ALISIA DE VINKO)
MEGYESREME ARIS (AYRAC DE ALBAC x TREFF BLACK ULA)
MIRTA (RKF) (GESS (RKF ) x HILDA (RKF))
MODUS OST AVIATOR ACE (TAMERLAN IZ SLAVNOI STAI x AK-YAR TARANTELLA)
MODUS OST WILD WIND (PLUTO DE GRANDE VINKO x MODUS OST GOTTIN GERA)
NAPLEMENTE ARRY (DELPHIN WEINBERGER x BELVAROSI SONJA CLAUDIA)
NAPLEMENTE ASTA LION (DELPHIN WEINBERGER x BELVAROSI SONJA CLAUDIA)
NAPLEMENTE BORDO (ARIEL V. DONAUTAL x BELVAROSI SONJA CLAUDIA)
NAPLEMENTE BOREC (ARIEL V. DONAUTAL x BELVAROSI SONJA CLAUDIA)
NELSA DE TOMIS (RONAHORI DARU x SOVARADY ANNI)
NESTLE MALIN LU (TAHI-REME XARO x ZARA ZARETTA LE MALIN)
NESTLE MALIN SERA (DARWIN HELLOWEEN x NESTLE MALIN LU)
NESTLE MALIN UTA UNA (KAFKA KUSCHAN V. DIASPORA x NESTLE MALIN SERA)
NICKI (547) (ROGDAJ x BARA)
NISA NALVA EL VALAHO (KUNDO KILL EL VALAHO x AMADA EL VALAHO)
ODISEYA DE GRANDE VINKO (ADAMANT DE GRANDE VINKO x SHARDONNE-SHARAU DE VINKO)
PLAYGIRL DE GRANDE VINKO (BARON NIKE RENEWAL x GR. SHANEL-SAN DE VINKO)
PLUTO DE GRANDE VINKO (BARON NIKE RENEWAL x GRAFINJA SHANEL-SAN DE VINKO)
PRINCESS PANTERA V. JAHRESTAL (FEDOR DEL NASI x WICKY BETELGES)
PURSH ANKOR (AICK x MIRTA (RKF))
RAUL BEST OF ISLAND (FEDOR DEL NASI x KASTRA BEST OF ISLAND)
REA BEST OF ISLAND (FEDOR DEL NASI x KASTRA BEST OF ISLAND)
RONAHORI DARU (VALDIMORA BOSTON PLUTO x HUBARAT BETTI)
RUSKAJAMESTA CHARMER CHIEF (ADAMANT DE GRANDE VINKO x ZANOZA IZ ZOOSFERRY)
SANT KREAL UKRASHENIE (SERGIUS ALEKSANDRIJA RERIKH x SANT KREAL KARMEN)
SARKANYVARY FLASH (GOLD DRACHEN ARGI x DIAMOND ANDREEA)
SCHWARZEN LADY DE GRANDE VINKO (BARON NIKE RENEWAL x GR. SHANEL-SAN DE VINKO)
SERGIUS ALEKSANDRIJA RERIKH (TIGR IZ SLAVNOI STAI x ADEL ADRIANA DE GRANDE
VINKO)
SERGIUS ALEKSANDRIJA ROLAN-GARROS (TIGR IZ SLAVNOI STAI x ADEL ADRIANA DE
GRANDE VINKO)
SERGIUS ALEXANDRIJA SVELTANA (CAYA GODZILA x ADEL ADRIANA DE GRANDE VINKO)
SERGIUS-ALEKSANDRIJA RODNIK SANT KREAL (TIGR IZ SLAVNOI STAI x ADEL ADRIANA DE
GRANDE VINKO)
SHERIDAN DE GRANDE VINKO (BARON NIKE RENEWAL x GR. SHANEL-SAN DE VINKO)
SOVARADY ANNI (BELVAROSI SILVIO LORD x HOLT KOROSI BOBE)
SZAKRON DIDO (MUNDIAN GOX x ALFA BLACK MAGIC CRISTAL)
SZAKRON DURO CORMOS (MUNDIAN GOX x ALFA BLACK MAGIC CRISTAL)
TAYLER MAGIK ZEST (SHOGUN V. ROVELINE x KIYA KALIFORNIYA FROM SPLENDID FEMILI)
TERALINE INDIGO (ATREYO DE GRANDE VINKO x TERALINE AURORA)
TORMASI BRIGITTA BESSY (NICKI (547) x FELSÖ-BUDAKALÁSZI CSOKI)
TREFF BLACK ULA (EVEMATTI BLACK DASH x ALSOFALUSI CEDA LADY MONA)
VALDIMORA BOSTON PLUTO (NAPLEMENTE BOREC x TORMASI BRIGITTA BESSY)
VALENCIA - PRINTESS PAM EL VALAHO (KUNDO KILL EL VALAHO x AMADA EL VALAHO)
VALENCIA ARENA (DINO V. VIENERWALD x AXY SEXY QUEEN)
VALENCIA BRISSILI (BRISSILI V ABC PUBLIC x VALENCIA ARENA)
VALENCIA E-MOHICAN (DAVOR ZAMOLXIS x NISA NALVA EL VALAHO)
VALENCIA ELIXIR (DAVOR ZAMOLXIS x NISA NALVA EL VALAHO)
VALENCIA F - LITTER (TYRON OF HOFFMAN HOUSE x NISA NALVA EL VALAHO)
VICTORY CORONA ALMA (MEGYESREME ARIS x BONY BLACK AMETHIST (IRMA))
WEGA V. SCHLOSS GROSSAU (IVO V. SCHLOSS GROSSAU x KALINKA V. SCHLOSS GROSSAU)
WENZDOB BAKHSIS (SZAKRON DIDO x HATARHALMI CHARMANT CORA)
WENZDOB DINO DAGI (SZAKRON DIDO x HATARHALMI CHARMANT CORA)
WILD FIRE ILESA INZA (TAHI REME VAJEN x SARKANYVARY FLASH)
WILD FIRE INFINITE IDOL (TAHI REME VAJEN x SARKANYVARY FLASH)
WINBERGER ANITA (BRISTOT GIPSY x DINA DE TESSPRIM)
YUMONA DIAMANT (GRAF GRATO LE MALIN x SAN SELDY)
ZARA ZARETTA LE MALIN (HERTOG MARTIN V. MANENSHEIDE x GRAFINYA GALAKTIKA LE
MALIN)
ZELILAKI ANDA (LUX V. KIFFHAUSER x NAPLEMENTE ASTA LION)
ZHARRET DIAMANT (GRAF GRATO LE MALIN x SAN SELDY)

Who say this line is deadly ?
In one day this gene will be appear again, pure. In my opinion Russian Bara, mother of Russian Nicky was and is one important key. Best beautiful thing what i sense in my life.

[Weinberge]

Sorry, but exist one problem.
Exist two Russian Bara. The second was grand-grand-grand dauther of first (3 time in pedigree via GESS (RKF ) ).

One beautiful female , Bara II.


Pedigree:
http://www.dobermannvereniging.nl/modules/pedigree/pedigree.php?pedid=168393

I think..this is mother of Nicky because Mr.Rosenberg say about Niky he live in 70 years in Hungary..or Bara I (first) live in 1953 .
After few generation..is much more posible Bara II was mother of Nicky and Bara I was grand-grand mother of second.

However, what i say remaning true .

[Weinberge]

Let see step by step....

Other brench of Bara : CHENI NIKE LAIS
http://www.dobermannvereniging.nl/modules/pedigree/pedigree.php?pedid=165957

In present:
http://www.dobermannvereniging.nl/modules/pedigree/pedigree.php?pedid=178652

Other brench of Bara: FLAVIY IZ ZOOSFERY via LASTLY-BONI .
http://www.dobermannvereniging.nl/modules/pedigree/pedigree.php?pedid=166689

but...i have one very big question:BAGHEERA (LOI 033771)

Baghera appear ant at TAYRI CAMPOVALANO mother of QUINN !!!
http://www.dobermannvereniging.nl/modules/pedigree/pedigree.php?pedid=96

But appear and at TAR-JEANNY (RKF) .
http://www.dobermannvereniging.nl/modules/pedigree/pedigree.php?pedid=144435

How is possible to be and mother of Tairy and TAR-JEANNY ? But not this is important. The base of QUINN DEI NOBILI NATTI was CHENJ (RKF) via TAIRY ?
Is corect this info? Who is CHENJ (RKF)? - not exist many posibilities about CHENJ .

This is one BIG question.

[Weinberge]

Finnaly....i think the key was writed by Mr.Rosenberg in his article.
More exactly in first two paragraphs.
http://www.dobermann-iz-zoosfery.ru/dobermanns-new.shtml
Password is Gess.

At the begining of 20 th. century dobermann breed endure transformation.
Russian brench,because is one close brench, too. This result very clear in my opinion from Mr.Rosenberg written :

"in the early 1920s, and had the form of collective creative activities. In the early years however the breeders made their own combinations"

"Besides the best Soviet dogs his pedigree contains two dogs imported from Eastern Germany: Akbar v. Cicilienhoff and Dik-Dolf v. Muchlen. These two names in the pedigrees of Dobermanns are often an indication for a finer, slightly nervous type, but Gess was different"

This mean one simply thing: russian first blood have power of chenge because have gene. Many of them was killed in one stupid battle of vanity , was lost in ignorance or endure inimaginable things but she exist and waiting to be multiplied.

Maybe many will say again this is 'Grimm brothers child story' but i like story.

I think is time to look with attention back in Russian pedigree and watch at black and white again .

[Weinberge]

I like this female Ak - Yar Raya (birth: 2.03.2006) - Padoku kennel Poland



passed PT exam
Starter ZTP - V 1A
Polish Breeding Tests - 1A
EKG, ECG normal - CARDIO FREE 11.03.2007
PHTVL/PHPV- clear
Katarakt Clear
PRA/CEAVER Clear
HD-A
CACIB Leszno 3.06.2007 - Exc.I, CWC


And one excelent present mating between Ken- Ti's BONGO & Sharon Z Padoku


Excelent Wanda !

[Weinberge]

Destinys Phoenix you have by 6 time old BARA power, new power of Sovarady. Now i understand why your Hazy was familiar for me begining with hair texture and smart brain like fire. .
And stay calm, Sovarady is too smart to lost this battle with 'fatal dogs'. And they know this

And remember your's kennel name ' Phoenix' (reborn). In day when i comme again at you i will show you one picture to understand what mean ARCO-DA-BARA. And at Focus too, what mean BARA.
Take care and Keep walking with your World Ch. Hazy Dream.

[xendo]

to valencia (posting from june 30)

where and in which generation have fedor, pimms or pathos russian blood???

xendo

[xendo]

to valencia (posting from june 30)

where and in which generation have fedor, pimms or pathos russian blood???

xendo

[Weinberge]

At Ferdor look at via AK-YAR SHAGRELLI and ZHARRET DIAMANT. You will find BARA more back.

About Pimms and Pathos , both have new russian blood iZ Doma Domeni and Slavnoi Stai.