IDC 2007 - Let´s talk about DOBERMANN, type, hypertype....

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Point 2 :

"Pack-saddles to say that a President of the DV then supported, writing (and it to me I can still document!), than the character it is not inherited and that only thanks to the good preparation of the trainer are obtained determined performances…Not there was no regulation for the breeding, simply “was produced”. "

Many not know what mean NATIVITY ..but can learn

"They have been over a long time span friend of the sig. H.Palmer (Breeding von Fürstenfeld), sure we were not always of same the opinion, but nobody knew better than he the Type of the Race and from he I have learned a lot. "

Interesant.

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I think i need more exactly translation and i will meditate long at this article.
What i wread about Hertog Alpha v.le Dobry & Franckenhorst line change dobermann face perception.

Very interesant opinion of one 'Race Father' who write "Dobermann Bible” :

"In 1968 he becomes job judge and the successive year he will be name in charge of the job from the Dobermann Verein (DV), loads that he will cover until 1978. In 1970 he writes up the regulations of the Körung and in 1975 he participates to the drawing up of the regulations of the ZTP for the DV. In 1972 he begins to raise the Dobermann race with the Affisso “v.d. Wilden Markgraf”. In 1978 it becomes in charge of the job for the IDC (International Dobermann Club) and, in 1983, also beauty judge. Ottmar Vogel is also the author of the book “Breeding and Sport with the Dobermann”, translate in various languages and considered still today from many gets passionate you of the race like “the Bible” of the Dobermann. "

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Carlos, Google translation is not very exact.
Can translate into English ( more exactly ) this two phrases ? Thank you.

" 7 D) Sul Dobermann in Italia posso dichiarare soltanto che da un po' di tempo non mi è concesso di giudicare e pertanto l'attuale livello non mi è noto. Fatto è che anche in Italia sono pochi gli allevatori che ricercano un miglioramento del carattere. Purtroppo si è interrotto il rapporto con il Dott. Pezzano: anche lui preferisce fare politica insieme al sig. Wiblishauser.

8 D)
Alla fine del 2002, dopo 42 anni, ho deciso (io) di uscire dalla DV, in seguito al provvedimento del sig. Wiblishauser di bloccarmi e non permettere né a me, né al mio avvocato di difendermi. Anche se dovessi vincere il processo in corso, egli avrebbe ugualmente la possibilità di bloccarmi come giudice e con persone di questo genere non ho più voglia di praticare il mio hobby. Il sig. Wiblishauser ha assunto abusivamente un doppio incarico (1° Presidente e Responsabile del Collegio dei Giudici). Questo non era ammesso secondo lo Statuto e per questo motivo lui lo ha semplicemente modificato. Il Signor Wiblishauser non accetta nessuna critica e tutti quelli che si sono permessi di fare opposizione sono stati esclusi dal club. Questa è la situazione attuale. "

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Val,I translate for you.....:

7- On dobermann in Italy,I can only say that it's a while I'm not allowed to judge,and so the actual quality level is unknown to me.
The fact is also in Italy there are not many breeders who look for an improvement of character.
Unfortunately also my relationship with Dr. Pezzano has interrupted: also him prefers to make politics together with Mr. Wiblishauser.

8- At the end of 2002,after 42 years,I've decided to exit from DV,because of Mr.Wiblishauser's decision to block me and not allowing neither to me,nor to my lawyer,to defend myself.
Even should I win the law trial still in progress,Mr.Wiblishauser would still have the possibility to block me as a judge,and with such persons around I don't have the will to practice my hobby anymore.
Mr.Wiblishauser has unlawfully taken 2 charges (first President and responsible of judges College) This wasn't allowed according to regulamentations and Statute,and for this reason he simply modified it.
Mr Wiblishauser doesn't accept and tollerate any kind of critic,and all people who dared to oppose to him were sent out from the Club.
This is the actual situation.


....hope it will be useful to understand the shit we're into....!

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About point No. 7 i am couriouse to know one present opinion exactly from Italy.
I ask this because in my opinion Mr.Pezzano make good politic for Italian breeders and help Italian kennels. This is my out-sider opinion .

About point No.8 i not comment but....

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About Pezzano politics,I'd like to give u my opinion.....but maybe is better not to comment....!
.....I'll let the IDC results speak for themselves.....expecially the "embarassing" moment (for the judges....) of the final ring of open class black males.....and who wants to understand...will understand...!

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In Romania exist one word:
When swimm in water , from two boats near you need to choice one. After we will see how long way make this boat. In other case you risck to drown.

About Diamante dogs already the World begin to know the truth about them and in normal mode they already need to be loved by Eastern breeders. Much more, now they are suficiently strong and will multiply step by step much more .

About Mr Pezzano in my opinion he know to apreciate exactly the wind and surf excelent. This is one advantage for Italians breeders and i hope for Eastern too and final for dobermann breed.

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Finaly, even some first results are disputable ,i say my secret wish : in one day one Romanian dog from Romanian Bara line -like first Sovarady - to make to sound National Anthem at one IDC.

I congratulate all competitors especially brown puppy BYRON V GINI HOUSE who comme from old Doriental & DOB BET & Russian Welenberg, who win BEST PUPPY and make to sound our Anthem in Italy.

Second i congratulate Eva and DON DANTE ZAMOLXIS puppy who win the open class. And Focus with Nik Name .

Not at the last i congratulate all Eastern dobermanns who win soo much the first places .
And for sure, all breeders.

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Valencia, you are living in stone age .The modern dobermann has nothing in common with you or yours dobermann.Go to sleep with yours Weinberger and Bora Tora Ciucu Bau.

[roni]

Valencia, you are living in stone age .The modern dobermann has nothing in common with you or yours dobermann.Go to sleep with yours Weinberger and Bora Tora Ciucu Bau.

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i think already all know Ronin one true specialist in war art.
He love 3 things: Weinberge-Bora-Tora, Focus and..Me.

LOL

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2007-09-25 13:14:23, IP:92.80.36.209, from: Netherlands
someone knows who is valencia from forum?

Who i am ? Nobody important. Only one last crazy Weinerge-Bora-Tora , nothing more

2007-09-25 14:07:43, IP:92.80.36.209, from: Netherlands
i think the italian are not going on next idc show.so next year it is interesting .maybe mr wiblis will win =))

Now you understand Carlos ?

P.S. Unfortunately for Neederlands mr.Wiblis lost by long ..long ..time ago like Neederlands dobermann too . One new ERA begin .

P.S2. In Nordic country exist many Doberhill and many many Russian dogs

Stay hidden in chat and Bla Bla Bla !

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2007-09-25 19:26:02, IP:91.150.84.171, from: Serbia
Because we want to see other beautiful dogs, to see puppies out of our breeding or to meet our international friends once a year. As someone wrote here before, it's like the Oscar night. It seems like IDC title is not very worthy any more.

2007-09-25 19:36:31, IP:89.51.110.167, from: Germany
it is sad, that the IDC became just a meeting place. the IDC should be the biggest and most strict and fair dobermann competition in the entire world.


Excelent opinion Serbia. YES IDC show need to be one meeting friend place like Oscar night. IDC need to beccome one simbol of friendship not war like in past.

To Germany : STOP the VANITY ! IDC must to be one meeting place where friend meeting NOT where make WAR and POLITIC MAKE DOBERMANN FACE !
I know mans (and from Germany) who go at IDC show only to see. They are with true dobermann lovers.