IDC 2007 - Let´s talk about DOBERMANN, type, hypertype....

[Weinberge]

Because i not can post in chatboard:

About Volvo Batleges, remember one dog have and one mother. From my info , Guido Frankenhorst and Karmel Kesia died by DCM both.

About Hanseaten line, remember mother is CHENDRA NOVALIS and MIA V. NORDEN STAMM.

And stay calm , Hanseaten line now exist alive in Russia and fully by "TORA-BORA" vitality .

The truth is very well hiden but not imposible to be understand.
In this case,Neederland and Germany , don't say black is white and white is black and don't acusse others for yours errors. The price of these errors are very big and is payed by dobermann breed .

Frtunately for dobermann breed Dott. Pezzano surf excelent into Eastern and Nordic direction because now not exist other posible direction.

This is other Citone full by "Tora-Bora" power.


Don't Bla Bla Bla....or..Bla Bla Bla because nothing else you not can make.

[Weinberge]

2007-09-26 08:49:35, IP:87.19.216.46, from: Italy
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One chatboard error

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2007-09-26 09:03:22, IP:88.56.197.124, from: Italy
probably orders from big brother

[gribbon]

hello to all! Just think positive!Every year we see the same comments
from people who see ...ghosts.The ghost of pezzano,of gino,of itallians,of wiblishauser etc!If someone doesn't like the results then he will say...politics.Why don't you accept that sometimes the different can be also good or even better than our personal favourites?It is very sad to see "poor" opinions or grumbling about the sieger titles and the idc show.
A lot of people unfortunately don't understand the meaning of TYPE.Any way the different opinions are always interesting but fanaticism is not acceptable.So,please stay calm and positive!Don't start war and fight!
I would like to say some thoughts about this idc and the siegers but first of all i must report 3 very important moments:first when Pezzano wished with deep emotion in public to Gabriele Prosperi,second when Gina (Prosperi's wife) came and during the finals she did double handling to Zuma di Camppovalano who won the idc junior sieger(brown females class) and all people and judges clapped their hands in order to honour the great Gabriele Prosperi.I have never seen something like this in a dog's show.It was like in footbal stadiums when we see the standing ovation!And third,very emotional moment,was when Mauro Favero dedicated the cup of Nitro del rio Bianco to his dead father and to Gabriele Prosperi for his contribution to the dobermann breed!!!
All the true dobermann fanciers let's have Gabriele in our minds and prayers those days!!!

[Weinberge]

I heard from Romanian breeders , this IDC was one sad IDC and because Mr. Prosperi missing.
This remember me one mail from Mr.Prosperi ,received in time when Romanian seach his way. He approximately write :
" Tell at yours breeders , only if they follow Italian way they will can attain Campovalano glory " .
And i tell. Now Romanian follow Italian way.This is important.

Beautiful simbol full by positive energy and from Dott.Pezzano and from Mr. Mauro Favero .

[Weinberge]

I receive one interesant pict. Thanks to sender for this pict.

[Niro]

[Weinberge]

Finally one normal reaction
IS good if we begin to understand and look at IDC like at one Oscar meeting friendly place.

Bravo North-way !

[gribbon]

A normal reaction since a lot time!!! I like a lot Niro's comments!Dear friend Niro,Prosperi is still with us and we all hope that soon or later he will be again strong and healthy at the shows!He needs all our positive energy and prayers for fast recover!!!
About the show my opinion is that this idc was the great success of a not famous or trendy breeder and certainly not political judge too.I speak about Florindo Coppo,a great breeder who deserved this title many times during the past but the "system" never awarded his dogs!Some people speak about politics but believe me,the sieger title of revel di casa coppo was not a matter of politics.The type of head of this female is not just good or amazing but very close to the perfect female head.Perfect doesn't exist,so revel's head is the approach to the perfect!Two other excellent dogs of di casa coppo kennel,named uber and ugor,was out of the final 4 (junior class) under wiblishauser's judging.That is politics!Both dogs are excellent types and at least one of them deserved to be at the final 4 but wiblishauser...no comments!
As for zordan zewi...the only problem of this dog is that he is citone!!!A lot of people say negative comments because he is citone,but this is not fair.Zordan Zewi is a unique male,who deserved the title more than any other male!He is extremely beautiful and his expression is unique!!
Tahi Reme Diablo was in super show condition and looked great(eventhough i like more boris iz doma domeni,diablo gave an excellent performance!).Absolutely fantastic was the brown female siegerin raissa rivien del fiorsilva.Head type and expression that takes the breath away.
Another female that i liked a lot was kriegerhof princess paris as also the young zemic's arwen.A lot of great dogs from nordic countries!!!Great breeding level!!!!!

[Weinberge]

I think this IDC is more like one Citone , Casa Coppo and Campovalano victory. This victory not named only 3 Italian kennel.
For sure this winners dogs have blood from many Italian kennels. I reffer at Villa Castelli and Citto & Caiena, Nobili Nati and Quinn and Runo, at Balestrieri , Villa Conte and Rio Bianco the Diamante 'brother'.
They win together and need to remaning together in this second and next time because hard things not pass.

Now, when i hope i understand more , I think Italy prove again one great breeding class, they know all about dobermanns with maximum precision. And about character and about health. Prove tradition and even some time exist different conception (this is good for dobermann breed) they work toghether and win togehter.

About me, i am happy and more relaxed now because i see how shaining first Romanian blood in other countries and kennels, more powerfull like never in strong hands.

Finnaly i congratulate the WINNERS again and high Italian breeding class.

[alberto]

You got it,Gribbon.....:here's what Zordan is....a NICE dog!
....not surely unique,not even surely an IDC winner....doesn't posses that "something more",that unexplainable something that make great dogs what they are.....!

by the way...what can u tell me about my favourite Citto,now that maybe u saw him in real life...??.....I think that people UNANIMOUS reaction when they put him fourth,speaks for itself on the kind of feeling and impression that dog inspires in people's head....!
don't u agree....?

[Weinberge]

I hope friend Alberto not start with friend Gribon one hard discussion again. And you Gribbon too.
I have this fear all time when appear one Diamante breeder in discussion with Greecs.
I think is suficiently hard what happned and no need artificial problems borned in fire discussions. Both of you need to understand the value who exist in both sides and if put together this sides will obtined double more power. Like now ZZ Citone from Gino, Rio-Bianco and more powerfull Villa Conte line.

[alberto]

No Val,don't worry....no hard discussions.....!
I was just curious,since last time Gribbon had to judge the dog only from photo,and I kept telling him that in real life Citto is completely different story......!

[roni]

[impala jack daniels]

and he is also teacher who judge the dogs in the photo .specially the character of the dogs

[impala jack daniels]

and now i want to be serious and "on topic"
valencia what is your opinion about this idc?what is your impression when u did enter on the idc gates?
i must say that i wasn't particpate at this idc and i want to know an opinion from the "maestro"
maestro i'm listening !!!