IDC 2009 the first step to a healthy future or not?

[LouisDobermann]

The following comments were made here at the DR chatboard:

2009-09-07 18:55:55, IP:93.103.120.39, from: Slovenia
CONGRATULATIONS PRIDE OF RUSSIA!!! Congratulations Alexander and Marina!!!
Keep on the good work, give us the true dobermanns for many more years to come!

2009-09-07 14:56:59, IP:118.137.60.29, from: Indonesia
The winner is dominated by Fedor's progeny!!
Bravo to Fedor Del Nasi, Lucky I have 2 of his great progeny.

2009-09-07 11:14:40, IP:83.58.219.100, from: Spain
Ole, ole ole and the Russians.
Dasha, Boris, Ferro Pride of Russia, Kaspij, Dana Dariana ...
Congratulations to Alexander and Marina.
Great real dobermann breeders.

Many thanks to the Russians and also many thanks to the judges for choosing these wonderful IDC Winners. In their pedigree we can find the following dogs that mainly influenced and partly made these magnificent winners. The pedigree of the brown male and female IDC Sieger as well as the black male and brown male Jugend IDC Sieger is build upon the following dogs.

- Alfa Adelante del Citone died at 6 years of age
- Mirakel v.d. Räuberhöhle died at 4 years of age
- Tequila Mali del Citone died at 5 years of age
- Ebo v.d. Groote Maat died at 6 years of age
- Lucifer v. Roveline died at 5 years of age
- Tigr iz Slavnoi Stai died at 4 years of age
- Ugor di Villa Conte died at 5 years of age
- Indira v.d. Räuberhöhle died at 5 years of age
- Mirakel v.d. Räuberhöhle died at 4 years of age
- Nestle Malin Uta Una died at 7 years of age
- Borana Sawages died at 3 years of age

I, for myself, like the phenotype of Fedor and his children a lot and this topic is not meant to be as criticism or disrespect to any person, breeder, handler nor to any dog. I have just written this short notice to show the influence of a dog in retro perspective, only the future will show us if we have made the right healthy choices in the past.

For that reason remember that today is tomorrow’s past

[Valencia]

Dear dobermann breed creator,

You named Mirakel v.d. Räuberhöhle twice . You forgot one important element : the inbreeding (7 x Ebo, 10 x Arrow, etc) .

But who care by what you say !?

I like your words "that today is tomorrow’s past". I hope you accept if this words will be motto on blog.
Thank you.

P.S. Ron(Citone) ,Fedor (Nike and Akuna) , Pimm's(Jivago line) and DN dogs are the best. All the clear, the healtly and working forces must to be concentrate on them . In paralel try to conserve clear lines (if still exist). DON"T LOST THE LAST FORCES WITH SECOND HAND ! No other chance for ANY part.

" today is tomorrow’s past".

LET PLAY.

[Ronindobe]

I believe the phrase is "Today is just tomorrow's yesterday" recently popularized by that zany Scottsman, Craig Ferguson. Whatever, I like it ....
Personally I congratulate Pride of Russia for doing a superb job of showing what a concerted program can produce. I have focused on Pimms and Jivago somewhat and would say as a junior that I see an area of importance here. The recent Pimms x Brava litter bears watching. I wait expectantly for the next cycle. [ Valencia I still say I beg for Ron injection here! I begin to market my spare organs for capital. ]
But obviously there is reason as Louis states to be continually aware of potentials. But as Chingachgook continues to state CODs need to be much better defined. Some in that list seem to be well known, such as Tequila, and I do not hear rebuttal if false.

Let me also say everyone dies of something. Certainly quality as well as quanity is important. Many animals live with people in less than desirable lifestyles. But consider for a moment that there may be other factors other than lineage [genetics] involved in longevity. We are assuming excellent husbandry is the norm and total informed control of the animals enviorment by the owner. I have heard that it is possible that anabolics may being used, dogs overworked on treadmills, questing after that muscular blocky Fedor style . Probably not good for longevity. Definetly not good for the heart. The quality of something as essential as drinking water is huge problem, particularly in Eastern Europe, a remaining gift from the Communist intellect. My background in toxicology and ex-inlaws from East Germany recall this. Many other focused enviormental issues exist as well. Our animals live with us but age much faster, these types of factors appear quicker too. Not wanting to be alarmist, but pay attention. Anywhere our great species has lived for any length of time is becoming very mariginal. Consider diet. Here in the US we had the "adulterated" pet food scare. Turns out that some business people around the world are unscrupulous. Who knew? Few techinical staff is employed, even here, to check on the real composition of the human food supply. Pet food ...don't make me laugh.
Imagine V., that the registery contains the data requirement for certified [ZTPlike] dogs [read this - breeders who wish good standing] to close the file of their animals with COD, backed by vet necropsy potentially. DNA should be on file for each animal, for ID and epidemicological purposes. Now you begin to fill in the puzzle.

How much is the IDC giving to Dobermann specific research out of that large entry fee? If they are doing this I have little criticism.

[LouisDobermann]

Also on chatboard here at DR:

2009-08-16 19:11:08, IP:79.50.69.168, from: Italy
Is true that Tahi Reme Romeo Died on august?

The answer at DR chatboard:
2009-08-16 21:37:16, IP:195.93.21.69, from: Great Britain (UK)
www.romeo.sk/news/news.htm

Very sad news of course and cause of death is not mentioned at the website of the owners. Nevertheless, here we see the same problem. What could / would people expect to happen understanding the pedigree of the poor TR Romeo.

Again we can only state the fact that today is tomorrow’s past and that people who own, without any doubt beautiful offspring of Romeo consider the facts mentioned below when breeding our Dobermanns for the future.

If this negative spiral will not be stopped by responsible breeders, there is no Dobermann population (or admirers) left in 25 years from now…..

The sad facts:
Paola Penelopa Piligrimas, died 6 years (in same litter: Pepe Pompidu Piligrimas, died at 7)
Victor di Casa Balestrieri (twice in this pedigree at 3/3!), died 7 years
Taisija iz Slavnoi Stai, died 9 years (in same litter Taifun died at 5, Tamerlan died at 7, Tigr died at 4, Titan at 6, Trefovaya at 7 and Trezor at 6 years old)
Indira v.d. Räuberhöhle, died 5 years
Ebo v.d. Groote Maat, died 6 years
Tahi-Réme Triniti, died 8 years
Livonijas Baron Hero Hieronimus, 3 years (in the same litter Livonijas Baron Honour Hex, 3 years and Livonijas Baronesa Harmony Hope died at 2 years of age!)
Ugor di Villa Conte, died 5 years
Astor del Citone, 7 years
Arielle Amour del Citone, 5 years

I think it is time for a new statement “first health, than beauty!” (Character has already been down the drain in so many lines, if all that’s left will be beauty, I for myself consider another breed. I’ll quit saying goodbye to dogs I deeply love after only just a few years….)

The average age of the breed is below 7 years now and unfortunately (like stock market) the bottom is not in sight…….

[Valencia]

Mr. Race Creator ,

You are soooo romantic....
You are at one step to stop the spirale and change the race history ...
But the world without romantic mans is ugly.

[Camelot]

hi all
to put all in prospective ..not that i'm interested much in the dogs mentioned ...but what did they all exactly die of should be noted ...many dogs do not just die of dcm ..

torsion .cancer are other big genetic killers ...i have heard that ebo is possibly the cause of dcm in some lines ..maybe true but asfar as know he was poisoned in spain ..which of the dogs mentioned were actually confirmed dcm cases ?

Also it is not the responsibilty for a judge to select on health ..he can only go by conformation of what is in-front of him
cheers

[Valencia]

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[Valencia]

[Valencia]

Returning at subject ,near Fedor from longevive Nike and great Akuna , RON DEL FIORSILVA is the BEST with true, and in SHOW-CHARACTER GENETICS and in beauty.

I public sugest to all Working and healtly lines breeders to concentrate their breeding on him and on his blood-line.

THE MOMENT OF TRUE :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sciuQc_UgE&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eanimale%2Ero%2Fforum%2Fshowthread%2Ephp%3Ft%3D42311%26page%3D246&feature=player_embedded



P.S. Now WE choiced ! I say to RON STAY WITH US ! . To the rest I sugest to GO SHOW !and win something!

If they can't do this, then ..
"GO HOME"

[Ronindobe]

I also am a Ron fan. He is a beautiful boy. But I only see IPO1 so far. Who can describe Ron's character?
Are you watching Alex and Marina? I hope for a Ferro, Nitro, Jivago, Gammon, Baron cover. A

[Valencia]

Personal, I preffer actual (Pimm's, Jivago, Nike ) only in combination with healtly old Russian and DN (Urbano) .

I preffer Ron/Ferro/Wallis Niky head tipicity and body elegance.

[Ronindobe]

Oh yeah baby! Of course that is what is at Pride. They have 3 Pimms daughters in planning. Any with Ron is 90% of your preference [again I say ] and we take care of the rest with step 2. You have step 2. Get to work
Up the rebels!

[Valencia]

[Ronindobe]

Already step 3? Great progress!
V. do you know of combination of Pimm's /Ferro first gen litters? I would like to research them?

[Valencia]