Fedor Del Nasi - his and his lines influence on the breed

BasKal · Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:31 pm Post subject:

Baron's kids tend to live around 12 also - juuuuust like him.

Weinberge · Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:50 pm Post subject:

Baksal

where you dissapear all the day ?

I send many mail and still I don't know if our common friend understood exactly .
He alredy go to Athena !

gribbon · Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:54 pm Post subject:

Insomnia i've got your point.For your reasons you want to attack against fedor and against breeders who use popular stud males.That is your problem.You like it or not fedor del nasi is one of the greatest stud males in the breed's history.If you believe that his line is not healthy then don't take a puppy from fedor.And please don't "play" the savior of the breed.It will be better to respect the work done by MANY breeders in the history.This work brought the breed to a higher level nowadays.Your opinion

ins0mnia · Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:55 pm Post subject:

Baskal, instead of calling my writing "bull", why don't you comment on it instead?

I have made some clear points, the stage is all yours go ahead and try to to answer each one of them instead. Right, couple of Baron's kids lived to 12, and how many died before they hit 5?

Come back to me with some homework and facts, not words. Right, "bull".

BasKal · Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:57 pm Post subject:

BACKGROUND: Dilated cardiomyopathy (DCM) in Doberman Pinschers is an autosomal dominant inherited disease. The prevalence of DCM in Doberman Pinschers of various age groups in Europe is currently unknown, but this information would be important to develop recommendations for screening programs.

DOMINANT!! All these "calculations" of yours are pure bull...

I have work Valencia - and my e-mail is not usually accessible from my work computers. I think our friend understood-I told him he must phone to Goldair Cargo.

ins0mnia · Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:08 pm Post subject:

Oh no no no gribbon, I do *not* wish to attack Fedor, god forbids he's a dog! I am criticizing today's breeding practices and supporting my arguments with *facts*. I wrote to you five points, and you're only answer "you're attacking Fedor" and you give me a link to information where there's nothing new to me.

Yes I am suggesting breeders are destroying "important" bloodlines behind Gino because there has been *no* selection behind Gino Gomez. If there was a selection like you say, then why is it so that Gino was bred on Astor Del Citoni (died at 7) and Arielle Del Citone who didn't even make it to two years old? oh, let's not mention *inbreeding* on Tequia Mali Del Citone who died at 5 (guess the reason?).

Please come back to me with facts and answer directly to my points and my questions which neither you or Baskal are yet to answer. It's seems to me you're rather getting than responding to my points, which is reflected in your saying "find another breed".

So no, I won't find another breed because that's not where my "problem" is. And by the way, I'm not alone in this, thousands of people share my concerns and worry so let's not dig our heads in the ground and face the issues.

I hope next time I get a response it will be directed towards my comments and hopefully someone can come up with arguments and facts to my previous posts, rather than just saying "find another breed" or "this is bull", this is just weakness.

Finally, no Fedor is not "one of the greatest stud males in the breed's history" because just like many others before him, in my books his bloodlines are damaged goods, why are the damaged goods? because of the too many early death cases in his pedigree and for passing those genes to so many generations. Want me to post the info again for the third time? and you *still* didn't reply me on my questions.

Here's another smiley for you Smile

BasKal · Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:17 pm Post subject:

...Anyway, Valencia, if you dont spay the females and castrate the males, I dont think that you have the wright to discuss the matter in public, playing Cato...
I will refuse to discuss this with you until the dogs' sterilization- OK?

bmgillespie · Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:21 pm Post subject:

I have been reading this back and fourth and here is my thoughts, first there will never be a completion to this argument, so why do we continue this. Second, everyone should do what they think will help with their dogs and quit trying to push your beliefs on others, it is like religion. Third, As in nature and has always been the weak dies, and the strong survies, this can be compared to Baron, if you look at what has been posted he should not have lived to 12 years but he did. I would disagree with anyone who says he should have not been studded. Finally, if it is Dobermanns destiny not to be here on earth then so be it. I do not believe the people discussing it here will live longer than the Dobermanns. No, I do not care what all these studies are saying because with any statistics one can manipulate them to say what they want, no matter what titles are in front of their name. If, you feel that strong about your beliefs then as the author of this site said put it in a article and he will post it. The it would NOT be a Big Blue Whale being shoved down our throats. People who care would read it and people who don't would not have to be subject to this constant bickering. We all have heard everything negative about our breed, can we here something positive? If you all have all these negative opinions then why do you bother to even own a Dobermann, there are a lot of other dogs that live as long as you want. If you are correct about what you beleive and everyone else is wrong then you will be the only provider of Dobermanns in the world and all will be good Very Happy

. So, please everyone lighten up, before you chase away the futre breeders that might actually get it right.

ins0mnia · Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:24 pm Post subject:

gribbon · Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:29 pm Post subject:

Insomnia i anwered many times today at your posts but i cannot anwer all day to nonsenses.Our posts are here and people can read them and make their conclusions.Ok don't change breed.Stay in the dobermans and you as well as your thousands of friends please start to breed.It is the only way to save the breed. Very Happy

A...by the way...that's my smile to you too!!

Weinberge · Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:30 pm Post subject:

ins0mnia · Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:33 pm Post subject:

BasKal · Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:34 pm Post subject:

All your dogs are infected with the same ill bloodlines you and your new guru bad mouth - your Gugu's calculation system tells that they are not worthy - so, castrate tham all. Then you can tell all us what to do...Even if one or two will be long lived they are not good because of the "infection" - it is pure and simple.

Weinberge · Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:38 pm Post subject:

My dogs don't lived on the COSMOS nor in the MOON and they can be afected by actual genepool.
If somebody like to castrate their dogs , or destroyl genetically their dogs are free to make that. I am not guru , Russian Roulette no need a guru.

Personal, if God help me , I will avoid dangerouse lines generations after generations and I will go with my bloodline on Germany and I will try to use lonegevive blodline . Because I don't like the SUICIDAL actions !